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Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by pipo234 »

tshaddox wrote: post #168
zoogeny wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To combat your pessimism - I would point to podcasts. In general, these were distributed on free platforms. The content became profitable through sponsorships. That is, the content creator does a deal directly with a brand to include a spot within the content read out by the presenter. So, there is a clear and well-trodden path to monetization for content creators even on free distribution platforms. Of course, as an…

I don't have data about how common various podcast monetizing techniques are, but my impression is that it's quite common for the podcast hosting provider to inject ads into the audio file at download time , enabling them to target ads based on the downloader's IP address or whatever other information they have about the downloader.

I don't have stats either, but working for a company that offers the shuffles for that kind of monetization for streaming media (jitm packaging and remix, drm, personalized ads, live2vod) and enthusiastic Podcast listener I tend to believe quite the opposite. (Jit ad insertion is popular in video (ie FAST) but we barely ever sell this to audio shops)

Dominant (tech) podcasts seem to favour focus on production, not distribution. Spotify went in guns ablaze and mostly failed. Personally targeting outside walled gardens often misses basic stuff like ads in a matching language. Content catalogue is billboard-irrelevant class. Nothing remotely near classic product placement or creator curated ads.

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Post by repelsteeltje »

zoogeny wrote: post #163
cousin_it wrote: post #108

I love the idea of this project. But unfortunately there are economic reasons that make PeerTube unlikely to win. It's not even about the cost of video hosting, it would apply even if hosting was free. Imagine yourself as a popular creator. You can put up your videos on an ad-free platform where users can watch them without distractions and be happy. Or you can put them on an ad-supported platform and get a cut of th…

To combat your pessimism - I would point to podcasts. In general, these were distributed on free platforms. The content became profitable through sponsorships. That is, the content creator does a deal directly with a brand to include a spot within the content read out by the presenter. So, there is a clear and well-trodden path to monetization for content creators even on free distribution platforms. Of course, as an…

> Of course, as anyone who watches enough YouTube knows content creators double-dip on commercial platforms by including sponsorships and getting a cut of AdSense - so there is still a major advantage to also publishing on YouTube.

Maybe add for the time being. I mean yes sure some creators double dip - they probably need the money. For the moment YouTube might allow that, but them being the platform, they might change the rules any time. It your viewers aren't yours, and the ads aren't either, you're not in a great position to profit from distribution ofyour content.

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Post by Animats »

Aachen wrote: post #7

Peertube is something I've been meaning to use, so I'm interested but don't know much about it. The post says they dropped webtorrent in favor of HLS. Does this mean Peertube is no longer peer-to-peer? HLS is a codec or container format or something, whereas webtorrent sounds like a method to have peers stream video data to each other such that the server doesn't easily bog down under traffic spikes. That seemed like…

PeerTube is distributed streaming, not distributed hosting. The master copy is hosted on some web site, yours or someone else's. If enough people are watching, a peer to peer streaming distribution system kicks in to provide more bandwidth. It's just a way to have many viewers without needing huge hosting bandwidth.

Almost nobody uses PeerTube. Here's the "Trending" list on Hardlimit.[1] 217 views of the top video. A video I posted two days ago to illustrate a bug report is in 9th position, with 14 views. This is pathetic.

Maybe if they got Wordpress integration, so Wordpress sites could serve videos via Peertube, it might take off. And get more sites to support auto-embedding of PeerTube videos, so that just providing a link produces a playable video.

[1] https://video.hardlimit.com/videos/trending

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Post by sertbdfgbnfgsd »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #167
sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote: post #93

OT and speaking of decentralization. Does anyone understand why exactly we don't have a _decentralized search_ for torrents?

Torrent clients that provide search then lose the legal plausible deniability that they are not specifically creating software for breaking the law. Besides torrent search websites and big uploaders make a lot of money from ads. Difficult to include ads in apps.

> Difficult to include ads in apps.

lol what?

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Post by _heimdall »

acdha wrote: post #103
_heimdall wrote: post #36

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I've never understood this concern with online platforms. It really shouldn't matter what content people publish if discover ability is user-driven. A Twitter alternative could be full of neo-nazis, butbif my feed is only populated with people I follow them I would never know or care.

The problem is getting to critical mass: every service has to start somewhere but if I join and only see uninteresting stuff, I probably won’t stick around long enough for you to follow me, etc. Niche services have that bootstrapping problem where they need early users but also don’t grow if their primary adopters are people who were banned elsewhere (e.g. Gab) or are very tightly ideological (Truth Social has a whol…

Discovery is a challenge for sure. I just wonder how far a service could get with an entirely user-driven discovery, follows, search, etc.

Platforms get into the business of censorship when they attempt to currate content (handpicked or algorithmic). Engagement is obviously much lower if you aren't running an algorithm designed to hook everyone on doom scrolling, but plenty of people still happily use an RSS reader and just go away when their list of new posts is empty.

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Post by glenstein »

errhead wrote: post #80
glenstein wrote: post #67

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Am I right in my understanding that sharing the load only happens for people viewing the same video? Could there be a benefit to P2P distribution of bandwidth that isn't just at the video level, but perhaps at the instance level, where they choose to federate with other instances that also agree to share the P2P load? Or rather, to share the P2P wealth?

That's the p2n layer that already exists in PeerTube through the redundancy feature in federation. Federated instances that enable redundancy copy all resolutions of a video that meet chosen criteria of popularity. When a user views the video on PeerTube, their browser grabs the sections of the video from any of the PeerTube instances that have a copy, creating an ad-hoc distributed CDN. This covers the mid-level of…

That's great! And along the lines of what I was hoping might be true. A question though: It sounds like you are saying various instances can help each other on a per-video basis, for videos above a popularity threshold.

But what about the prospects of distributing the load that isn't localized to a particular video? As in, users do some peer to peer load distribution of any and all videos above the threshold, regardless of whether it's the one they are watching?

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Post by errhead »

treyd wrote: post #151
corobo wrote: post #113

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> What PeerTube should do now is have some kind of opt-in peering between instances to mirror each others videos and provide secondary sources to share the load They've had this bit for a while: https://docs.joinpeertube.org/admin/following-instances#inst...

Oh that's fantastic! I hope this is supported on the new HLS-only streaming system.

HLS has been the default system for years, and yes, it works perfectly.

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Post by mnd999 »

rakoo wrote: post #120
Klonoar wrote: post #27

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They're not "advocating for voluntary censorship", they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet.

Peertube is a software, not a service. If you find hateful content, it's not because of peertube, it's because whoever is hosting it (and how you got there)

I’m not gonna argue with that. But I’m not going to use the software unless it hosts something I’m interested in.

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Post by mnd999 »

vintermann wrote: post #41
mnd999 wrote: post #6

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Last time I looked at peertube it had worse problems than that. The content was mostly neo-nazis and conspiracy theories, incels and other stuff that wasn’t on YouTube because it would get banned. I’m not interested in that. Has it got any better?

All that stuff and worse is on Youtube too, and probably in higher quantity. It doesn't get banned - not reliably. The algorithm is just good at hiding it from you. Youtube is really good at surfacing videos you want to see. Peertube isn't. That's why you see stuff you hate, not because of censorship or the lack of it.

Maybe, I don’t know, I don’t go looking for that stuff. Most of the stuff I watch there is video games, retro tech or hiking. I was kinda hoping for some recommendations for interesting stuff on peertube.

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote: post #174
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Torrent clients that provide search then lose the legal plausible deniability that they are not specifically creating software for breaking the law. Besides torrent search websites and big uploaders make a lot of money from ads. Difficult to include ads in apps.

> Difficult to include ads in apps. lol what?

Let me restate. Difficult to include ads in apps, when multiple excellent open-source torrent clients exist.
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