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Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by treyd »

corobo wrote: post #113
treyd wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At the point I'm pretty uncertain if a p2p web browser video app can exist and be usable enough to have people actually want to use it. People really need to give up on the idea that the browser is a good foundation for robust p2p protocols. There's too many restrictions and the way users conventionally interact with web pages means that running instances of the client tend to be very ephemeral, even if you design…

> What PeerTube should do now is have some kind of opt-in peering between instances to mirror each others videos and provide secondary sources to share the load They've had this bit for a while: https://docs.joinpeertube.org/admin/following-instances#inst...

Oh that's fantastic! I hope this is supported on the new HLS-only streaming system.

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Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

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[deleted] wrote: post #152
Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

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Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by babypuncher »

Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

It doesn't help that their name heavily implies it is a P2P YouTube replacement.

It also doesn't help that, at least outside HN, every thread I see complaining about YouTube has commenters telling everyone to switch to PeerTube.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by rakoo »

grumbel wrote: post #144
rakoo wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay but what service exists that doesn't exhibit the same problems as youtube, ie the necessity of hyper-growth to satisfy investors, ads everywhere, total surveillance of its users ? Because a search engine that indexes only services like that won't really solve the problem _if_ the problem is to respect users' and community's freedom and privacy.

It's doesn't really matter what the service is doing when you aren't using the service in the first place. Right now I can use `yt-dlp`, download videos from Youtube and watch them in a video player of my choice. I never have to interact with the Youtube platform directly for this, it just acts as dumb server that hosts `.mp4` files. Same is true for a lot of other services. The missing part is a good way to discover…

You don't care about most users, and you don't care about creators, that's alright, but please don't behave as if they didn't matter. You are not representative of useful population if you use yt-dlp to bypass issues. It's nice that you can do it, but it's a shitty situation that you have to do it to evade pervasive surveillance and the madness capitalism brings us into.

YouTube doesn't want you to see their videos outside YouTube. They let you do it at the moment because it's more profitable this way, but you'll always be fighting against them. Why not propel a platform you don't have to fight against ? One that serves your needs because it is a digital commons ? yt-dlp and any other means of accessing content can be built with the platform instead of against.

You behave as if you were totally independent from platforms, but it's wrong: as a user you depend on them. You depend on developers maintaining it and making it better, on admins running it, on business people allowing you to freeride. It doesn't make sense to live in a society where we are adversaries by default, it's such a waste of time and energy.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by johnchristopher »

jpc0 wrote: post #124
johnchristopher wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The user story is "I want to find and watch interesting videos" and they nail it. You miss another user story: IT department wants to self host a video distribution platform on their intranet and users need to embed video in intranet CMS (blogs, wikis, kb, etc.) and they will watch those videos at home, at the office and in between places. Thinking audie…

> You miss another user story: IT department wants to self host a video distribution platform on their intranet and users need to embed video in intranet CMS (blogs, wikis, kb, etc.) and they will watch those videos at home, at the office and in between places. It's not missed, that story doesn't exist. In any place where IT can even think about self hosting video they likely control the user's entire tech stack and…

> > You miss another user story: IT department wants to self host a video distribution platform on their intranet and users need to embed video in intranet CMS (blogs, wikis, kb, etc.) and they will watch those videos at home, at the office and in between places.

> It's not missed, that story doesn't exist.

Sure it does. We have been discussing it for weeks with colleagues and bed testing it. Next step is to consider using v5 or v6.

> In any place where IT can even think about self hosting video they likely control the user's entire tech stack and don't need a super flexible player, they can just use a video tag...

I had written a longer comment but if you equate slapping an mp4 URL in a video tag with what peertube brings then I frankly don't see the point. Not sure what controlling the user's entire tech stack even means then.

> On the other hand a company like this is more likely to use a SaaS product because they would have done a cost benefit analysis and figured spinning up a server and allocating bandwidth which could include significant network stack upgrades would cost far too much money to self host video.

Pretty sure peertube and its variable bitrate and resolution will use less bandwidth than a user's original mp4 file in a video tag would but okay.

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> Also it's free to stick the video on YouTube as an unisted video and embed the player...

Yeah, right. What can go wrong uh...

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by adtac »

booteille wrote: post #34
Aachen wrote: post #7

Peertube is something I've been meaning to use, so I'm interested but don't know much about it. The post says they dropped webtorrent in favor of HLS. Does this mean Peertube is no longer peer-to-peer? HLS is a codec or container format or something, whereas webtorrent sounds like a method to have peers stream video data to each other such that the server doesn't easily bog down under traffic spikes. That seemed like…

Hi! There is a page on official documentation (docs.joinpeertube.org) (which needs to be updated to reflect the removal of WebTorrent but is still relevant on hls parts). Here is the one concerning us: " - If using the HLS player (depending on the admin transcoding configuration): - The player loads the HLS playlist using hls.js from the origin server - PeerTube provides a custom loader to hls.js that downloads segme…

WebRTC isn't great for non-realtime streams where quality is much more important than latency. I hope p2p WebTransport gets standardised soon.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by rakoo »

cousin_it wrote: post #108

I love the idea of this project. But unfortunately there are economic reasons that make PeerTube unlikely to win. It's not even about the cost of video hosting, it would apply even if hosting was free. Imagine yourself as a popular creator. You can put up your videos on an ad-free platform where users can watch them without distractions and be happy. Or you can put them on an ad-supported platform and get a cut of th…

You can't seriously put out your 1-minute theory that goes against more than ample evidence to say this is going to happen to peertube.

The premise itself is wrong: the conditions of "winning" are not the same, to the point that it's not even useful to use that word. The metric of success for Peertube, and Framasoft, is how free the society and its communities are. Seeing the trend of the fediverse and of Libre softwares being used more and more tells me they are on a very good trajectory.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by rakoo »

surajrmal wrote: post #130
Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

What is the incentive to self host when embedding YouTube videos is free and easy? Peer tube might make it easy but it adds a lot of maintenance complexity and server costs. Is the avoiding risk associated with YouTube over the video control worth that cost? For some maybe, but most I imagine not.

"Free (price) and easy" are not the values peertube is pushing forth, so it's not really relevant. Peertube makes it so you own your infrastructure, your data, and can do whatever you decide to do. You are not subject to foreign laws like with YouTube, you are not dependent on ads that are a problem by design, you are not beholden to ecocidal capitalism to display videos, you do not have to give more power to a company that employs children and refugees to build their AI. You are building a saner world just by not using YouTube. That's kinda hard to beat.
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