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PeerTube v6

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Re: PeerTube v6

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I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

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Re: PeerTube v6

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I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

"Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website." If I'm a small company, I'd use something like BunnyCDN to stream my videos, because no one else will watch them so the benefits of Peertube are not there. If I'm a company and I'm large I should have no problems paying for something and again would use something like BunnyCDN.

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Re: PeerTube v6

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How likely is it that my company's promotional videos will be federated to the extent that it'll actually reduce my bandwidth cost by a non-trivial amount? Will hosting videos like this increase reliability or reduce it? I genuinely don't know - i've never used it - but it would be far from my first pick for this kind of stuff. > but which platforms employ the power of the torrent protocol to distribute bandwidth so…

beside that... using a hosted service doesn't quiet qualify as selfhosted either. And thats also ignoring the elephant in the room called pricing. egress is pretty expensive on AWS, you'd at least want to use their video streaming service instead of s3 for a consumer website.

Yep, using s3 to serve video streams is one of the worst things you can do to yourself. If you've got the money and need, Cloudflare Stream is pretty damn good.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Yep, efforts to replace Youtube (and the rest of BigTech) should be spend on building better search and cataloging of videos across all the Web instead of focusing all effort on one specific hosting technology that nobody uses. I'd be much more inclined to use a service or software that improves on Youtube by including other sources of videos, then one that tries to replace Youtube with their own set of (drastically…

Okay but what service exists that doesn't exhibit the same problems as youtube, ie the necessity of hyper-growth to satisfy investors, ads everywhere, total surveillance of its users ? Because a search engine that indexes only services like that won't really solve the problem _if_ the problem is to respect users' and community's freedom and privacy.

It's doesn't really matter what the service is doing when you aren't using the service in the first place. Right now I can use `yt-dlp`, download videos from Youtube and watch them in a video player of my choice. I never have to interact with the Youtube platform directly for this, it just acts as dumb server that hosts `.mp4` files. Same is true for a lot of other services.

The missing part is a good way to discover those videos in the first place. Subscriptions and recommendations are not something your average Web browser or search engine provides, yet are really important for discovering content. That's the kind of features I'd like to see implemented in a service independent manner. RSS went that direction, but not far enough, as it generally depend on the service itself to provide that information, instead generating it automatically from information found via webscraping.

Re: PeerTube v6

#146

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

What is the incentive to self host when embedding YouTube videos is free and easy? Peer tube might make it easy but it adds a lot of maintenance complexity and server costs. Is the avoiding risk associated with YouTube over the video control worth that cost? For some maybe, but most I imagine not.

> What is the incentive to self host when embedding YouTube videos is free and easy?

If your videos include any of the verboten topics, then Youtube is not free and easy. Also they can change those topics at any time on a whim, and start retroactively removing/striking/banning. They'll drop a ban-hammer on you for multiple "violations". For example, imagine you wanted to discuss Covid 19 in any non-CDC approved way during 2020/2021? If you mentioned the Lab Leak Theory back when it was politically incorrect, or questioned the efficacy of cloth masks, your content was removed and you were given a strike. Your entire presence could be deleted, and by the time it turns out you were right (or at least possibly right), you're already disappeared.

(ftr I am sympathetic to YT because I do think there needs to be some moderation. It's a hard problem and I don't have all the answers)

Re: PeerTube v6

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> You miss another user story: IT department wants to self host a video distribution platform on their intranet and users need to embed video in intranet CMS (blogs, wikis, kb, etc.) and they will watch those videos at home, at the office and in between places. It's not missed, that story doesn't exist. In any place where IT can even think about self hosting video they likely control the user's entire tech stack and…

I get so tired of hearing about tech stacks. Tech stack discussions are 90% developers spinning their wheels and 10% money. Its really closer to 80/20, but most developers cannot get out of their own heads enough to reach a 20% discussion about money and business expenses.

In the current scenario with companies cost-cutting, I would say money is 30% or 40%.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Who says Peertube needs to take off to be good? I like, prefer, and use the fediverse in its current state personally.

It's frustrating how people only take the capitalist / startup founder point of view when evaluating open source. It's like people can't grasp the idea that somebody could be pursuing a project without having the greatest possible user base / profit as their primary goal.

It would have been highly amusing if HN had been around when Linus launched Linux and we could go back and read commentary from all the pragmatists about what a huge waste of time and effort it was across the whole spectrum of casual dismissal to a sense of outrage that anyone would have the hubris to take on major companies already providing far superior platforms.

Re: PeerTube v6

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> YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The user story is "I want to find and watch interesting videos" and they nail it. You miss another user story: IT department wants to self host a video distribution platform on their intranet and users need to embed video in intranet CMS (blogs, wikis, kb, etc.) and they will watch those videos at home, at the office and in between places. Thinking audie…

At some point, someone literate enough to understand how bad Big Tech is but still promoting Big Tech should be face it. It is like smoking. People say "I know that smoking kill, I don’t want to be reminded all the time". Well, as long as you are polluting and killing innocents by smoking in their vicinity, you are the asshole. You don’t seem to understand so people keep telling you (and, guess what, in the case of P…

"I want to find something to do other than smoking. I find I smoke the most when I"m bored."

"Have you considered attending this lecture about the dangers of smoking?"

Re: PeerTube v6

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Sad to hear, but totally understandable. I'm sure the official app will need lots of contributors when it comes out next year.

Is there an official app in the works? I wasn't aware. Do you have a link?

It was announced a few days ago at the Capitole du Libre festival in Toulouse, France. Framasoft is hiring a second developer to work on PeerTube (for now it is mostly the work of a single individual), and they will, among other numerous things, work on mobile apps and video/sound decoupling to allow for the podcast usage cited in another comment, for example.
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