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Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by Goronmon »

toastercat wrote: post #89
The_Colonel wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's frustrating how people only take the capitalist / startup founder point of view when evaluating open source. It's like people can't grasp the idea that somebody could be pursuing a project without having the greatest possible user base / profit as their primary goal.

You hit the nail on the head. Hacker News ironically tends to be pretty hostile towards open-source. Offering free and open alternatives is often met with the criticism of "this will never take off and it's not really an alternative because it doesn't do what the multi-billion dollar corporate competitor does to a tee."

You hit the nail on the head. Hacker News ironically tends to be pretty hostile towards open-source.

It's actually much better than it used to be. Since it's roots are in startup culture, there has always been an under-current favoring capitalistic stances. Those currents have weakened over time though. At one point things like dark patterns for user engagement were given a more neutral response than you would see nowadays.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by andsoitis »

Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

> but which platforms employ the power of the torrent protocol to distribute bandwidth

Don't visitors need to watch the same videos at the same time for this benefit to materialize?

If so, it seems unlikely for the examples you mention (promo videos, conference recordings) and so I don't know that that is an effective selling point.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by corobo »

treyd wrote: post #110
georgyo wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did some testing of peertube a little over a year ago, and in practice you never used the webtorrent stuff anyway. The webtorrent always had a static http seed which is how videos played fast, but that web seed was usually more than capable of serving all the traffic. More so, it _must_ be capable of doing so because not all your clients will be able to support webtorrent effectively. In order to use a webtorrent,…

> At the point I'm pretty uncertain if a p2p web browser video app can exist and be usable enough to have people actually want to use it. People really need to give up on the idea that the browser is a good foundation for robust p2p protocols. There's too many restrictions and the way users conventionally interact with web pages means that running instances of the client tend to be very ephemeral, even if you design…

> What PeerTube should do now is have some kind of opt-in peering between instances to mirror each others videos and provide secondary sources to share the load

They've had this bit for a while:

https://docs.joinpeertube.org/admin/following-instances#inst...

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by [deleted] »

Almondsetat wrote: post #35

I still cannot grasp how supposedly tech literate HN users can't seem to understand the purpose of PeerTube. Do you have a company and do you want to self host your promotional videos? Make a PeerTube instance and embed them in your website. Do you have a conference and want to self host the recordings? Same Do you have an institution of any kind and want to self host the video material? Same. Nowhere it's touted as…

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Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by DeIlliad »

ploum wrote: post #98
johnchristopher wrote: post #43

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> YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The user story is "I want to find and watch interesting videos" and they nail it. You miss another user story: IT department wants to self host a video distribution platform on their intranet and users need to embed video in intranet CMS (blogs, wikis, kb, etc.) and they will watch those videos at home, at the office and in between places. Thinking audie…

At some point, someone literate enough to understand how bad Big Tech is but still promoting Big Tech should be face it. It is like smoking. People say "I know that smoking kill, I don’t want to be reminded all the time". Well, as long as you are polluting and killing innocents by smoking in their vicinity, you are the asshole. You don’t seem to understand so people keep telling you (and, guess what, in the case of P…

Comparing using Youtube to smoking is why I can never take these conversations seriously.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by rakoo »

DeIlliad wrote: post #115
ploum wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point, someone literate enough to understand how bad Big Tech is but still promoting Big Tech should be face it. It is like smoking. People say "I know that smoking kill, I don’t want to be reminded all the time". Well, as long as you are polluting and killing innocents by smoking in their vicinity, you are the asshole. You don’t seem to understand so people keep telling you (and, guess what, in the case of P…

Comparing using Youtube to smoking is why I can never take these conversations seriously.

And yet the comparison is apt. Both provide ephemeral positive signals to the brain at a cost that is detrimental to individuals' or society's health (not even talking about environment, which is a part of society's health).

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by rakoo »

toastercat wrote: post #89
The_Colonel wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's frustrating how people only take the capitalist / startup founder point of view when evaluating open source. It's like people can't grasp the idea that somebody could be pursuing a project without having the greatest possible user base / profit as their primary goal.

You hit the nail on the head. Hacker News ironically tends to be pretty hostile towards open-source. Offering free and open alternatives is often met with the criticism of "this will never take off and it's not really an alternative because it doesn't do what the multi-billion dollar corporate competitor does to a tee."

If you dig deep enough, you'll see that "open-source" is actually the preferred term for HN because it is business-friendly: I can use this open-source, depolitized piece of code to make money and not give any to anyone. It's why the term "open source" exists when "Libre" also defines it, but as an anti-business sound to it.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by rakoo »

grumbel wrote: post #22
Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

Yep, efforts to replace Youtube (and the rest of BigTech) should be spend on building better search and cataloging of videos across all the Web instead of focusing all effort on one specific hosting technology that nobody uses. I'd be much more inclined to use a service or software that improves on Youtube by including other sources of videos, then one that tries to replace Youtube with their own set of (drastically…

Okay but what service exists that doesn't exhibit the same problems as youtube, ie the necessity of hyper-growth to satisfy investors, ads everywhere, total surveillance of its users ? Because a search engine that indexes only services like that won't really solve the problem _if_ the problem is to respect users' and community's freedom and privacy.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by greentea23 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #5

Still has the same problem as all these alternative social media networks and why they're not taking off: on one hand you've got YouTube/etc which works and has appealing content front-and-centre, and on the other you have technobabble like "federation" and "instances" while the actual content (if there is even any!) is relegated into some dark corner. YouTube (and other mainstream providers) solves user stories. The…

Youtube could disappear or, more realistically, become heavily censored (internally or externally) at any time for a variety of reasons. The true value of this project and other federated or fully distributed and open source alternatives is to have a freedom friendly alternative should the need present itself.

Re: PeerTube v6

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Post by rakoo »

Klonoar wrote: post #27
lynx23 wrote: post #23

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Wah, there is no Incel content on YouTube? What about Pearl Davis, or the flood of shorts extracted from this podcast I just cant remember right now? Personally, I much prefer a uncensored platform over arbitrary censorship by big tech. Without censorship, I can at least decide for myself if I want to watch it. In fact, I find it quite concerning that people like you seem to actively advocate for voluntary censorship…

They're not "advocating for voluntary censorship", they're simply pointing out that the Peertube (and the Fediverse in general) needs to avoid being the dredges of the internet.

Peertube is a software, not a service. If you find hateful content, it's not because of peertube, it's because whoever is hosting it (and how you got there)
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