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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by JaggedJax »

mmcnl wrote: post #326
alentred wrote: post #220

In the context of Linux adoption on the desktop it is not big news, unfortunately. To my mind, overall end-user experience is already better in Linux compared to Windows where similar tasks are more complicated, even before the raw performance starts to matter . Better performance would be a prerequisite indeed - no one wants to move a slower OS - but then there must be other convincing reasons to drive the desktop u…

The end user experience is way better on Windows than Linux. And I say that as someone who uses Linux (Ubuntu Gnome) daily. You really have to appreciate the freedom of choice that FOSS brings you to appreciate Linux. If you don't care, as most people do, you're probably better off with Windows. Ofcourse you can counter my reasoning by listing a lot of problems with Windows. And I can assure you that most people don'…

I agreed with this for a long time, but in the past 4ish years I no longer agree. On Windows I regularly run into frustrating issues with audio, drivers, printers, random odd errors.

On linux (currently PoP OS, first on a System76, now a Dell) I have not been running into issues. The biggest issue I ran into was strange Wifi connection issues, which System76 had me submit logs for and identified it as a failed Wifi card. But my audio, drivers, printer, scanner and day to day tasks just work.

Yes there are features that are missing on one platform or another. But day to day is now much more pleasant for me on desktop linux as I run into far less frustrating issues.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by MenhirMike »

johnbellone wrote: post #304
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. There's no requirement to create an apple account.

There isn't a requirement to create a Microsoft account, either.

Actually, Windows 11 Home does require one. And I don't mean "You can just be offline" or "Just click use Domain Account", but actually "Without Internet and a Microsoft Account, you cannot continue".

Maybe someone found a script/custom installation image, but the previous posters point about it being required stands for that one SKU at least. (I hope that there's a EU version that one can acquire in the future that gets around that, but I don't know if the Account requirement falls under the current legislation.)

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by iam-TJ »

blowfish721 wrote: post #274
aarond0623 wrote: post #74

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IMO, the best way to get comfortable with Linux is to get comfortable with the command line, because although every distribution is going to have different UI and built-in apps, the command line is going to stay pretty consistent. Also, a lot of troubleshooting you Google is going to involve interacting with the command line, and it's essential to understand what the commands you're executing are actually doing. I'd…

Was trying to configure a network bridge for a vm just the other day from cli. The guide (for Ubuntu which I was also using) was using nmcli (Network Manager), tried it and command not found, back to searching and was nudged to systemd networking by stackoverflow which didnt work either. Turns out that my system was using Netplan. Three different systems to handle networking, really? Ok, chatgpt convert this nmcli co…

netplan(.io) is an abstraction layer on top of either NetworkManager (GUI installs) or systemd-networkd (servers/non-GUI) and is not really needed except as a convenience for Canonical's own designs for automated mass deployments especially linked to cloud-init. Under the hood it just converts its YAML configuration files into the syntax for the underlying actual network management tool.

For NetworkManager it'll write the config file to /run/NetworkManager/system-connections/ and for networkd to /run/systemd/network/ on EVERY boot since /run/ is a tmpfs (file-system in RAM).

For almost all servers, and most workstations, netplan is an unnecessary indirection since most hosts (including containers) have pretty static network configurations that only require writing once (to /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ or /etc/systemd/network/ ).

nmcli is the NetworkManager command-line tool. There is also nmtui for a text user interface. These are terminal alternatives to the GUI applets such as nm-applet (network-manager-gnome) or plasma-nm for KDE.

networkctl is the CLI interface to systemd-networkd. There is no widely used GUI interface to it (yet).

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by allo37 »

the__alchemist wrote: post #334

I hope for a future where we are not trapped between Windows, MacOS, and Linux. They are all very complicated, and have much state. They're great for general-purpose computing, but it would be cool if you could use the same hardware in these GP computers with lightweight firmware that doesn't get in the way, and can be tuned to a specific task better. Simple, responsive GUI, could run your specialty software etc with…

Sounds a bit like what UIO tries to do in Linux? https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.12/driver-api/uio-howto.h...

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by tester756 »

the__alchemist wrote: post #334

I hope for a future where we are not trapped between Windows, MacOS, and Linux. They are all very complicated, and have much state. They're great for general-purpose computing, but it would be cool if you could use the same hardware in these GP computers with lightweight firmware that doesn't get in the way, and can be tuned to a specific task better. Simple, responsive GUI, could run your specialty software etc with…

That's what I've been thinking about.

Modern runtimes try to do a lot of OS' job(s) - memory management like gc, threads management, etc, etc.

What if we stopped using OSes and their perf. penalties and run our software (with its runtimes like clr/jvm/wasmish) directly on the hardware

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by gamblor956 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #6
bryanlarsen wrote: post #5

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One of the major markets for these would be visual art studios. They aren't generally Linux shops.

Funny you mention this because a lot of big visual arts studios use Mac for the artwork in the Adobe ecosystem, and heavily invested in Linux for the 3D rendering pipelines as they moved away from SGI/BSD with Windows almost nowhere on the radar. I'd estimate the number of big-name shops running Windows is a minority with only smaller indie studios like Corridor Digital being all-in on Windows because it's a jack of…

The majority of professional movie and television VFX work is now done on Windows and Linux computers, with Linux especially being used for the rendering portion of the process.

Mac was the dominant platform for a long time, but Windows caught up and zoomed past Mac about a decade ago. Same or better performance, cheaper hardware, cheaper software, easier to upgrade/repair, and more choice for all of the above.

There's a reason that Apple has to pay big bucks to Olivia Rodrigo and others to use Apple products to film and edit their music videos: it's because Apple fell out of favor with creatives and Apple is trying to buy its way back in.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by mmis1000 »

kstrauser wrote: post #288
jwells89 wrote: post #87

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Will Wayland be able to render mixed HDR and SDR content correctly, with e.g. an HDR video on YouTube rendering with extended range while the rest of the screen renders as normal? Currently only macOS can do that. With Windows you have to choose between SDR and HDR display modes which affects everything on screen regardless of type, which makes SDR content look dingy in HDR mode.

On that subject, anyone know why shifting to HDR dims everything that way? My mental model of it is that SDR brightness goes from 0 to 100, and HDR brightness goes from -100 to 100, and that turning on HDR moves everything not HDR-aware down to the bottom of the brightness space. I could look this up, but never think about it outside of conversations like this and figure it might be more fun to talk about it.

Because windows map sdr contents to srgb color space. Which nobody except designers uses. Most monitor today ship with a much brighter and, high contrast, vivid color profile by default. If you toggle your monitor to srgb color profile. You should see a color that looks really similar to sdr contents in Windows hdr mode.

In my opinion, I also don't like it. But there is surely no way for Microsoft to chose a color profile that looks like without toggle hdr on given there are so many monitor manufacturers in the market. I think chose the most safe srgb option is understandable.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by bryanlarsen »

kstrauser wrote: post #288
jwells89 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will Wayland be able to render mixed HDR and SDR content correctly, with e.g. an HDR video on YouTube rendering with extended range while the rest of the screen renders as normal? Currently only macOS can do that. With Windows you have to choose between SDR and HDR display modes which affects everything on screen regardless of type, which makes SDR content look dingy in HDR mode.

On that subject, anyone know why shifting to HDR dims everything that way? My mental model of it is that SDR brightness goes from 0 to 100, and HDR brightness goes from -100 to 100, and that turning on HDR moves everything not HDR-aware down to the bottom of the brightness space. I could look this up, but never think about it outside of conversations like this and figure it might be more fun to talk about it.

A better way to describe it, IMO:

SDR goes from 1-100. HDR goes from 0.01 to 100. Twice as many orders of magnitude difference from bottom to top. So if you peg the top to max brightness in both cases, the HDR looks brighter because the contrast is bigger.

(Note that this is an analogy. In other words, it's wrong, but a way of looking at it)

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by vorticalbox »

totallywrong wrote: post #176
vorticalbox wrote: post #46

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I have been eyeing up Fedora Onyx for the immutable root

I've been using an immutable Fedora for quite a while now and it's amazing. I use toolbox and run everything in containers, including GUI apps, so not even using Flatpak which I'm not a big fan of. I think I have like 3 or 4 packages installed on top of the base image. The peace of mind while upgrading can't be overstated. Highly recommended.

I run mongodb for work and that requires openssl1.

On Ubuntu I just copy the libs over to /usr/lib

But that wouldn't be an option on an immutable system.

I will look into toolbox.

Edit: looks like tool box is exactly what I'm after!

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by robertlagrant »

throw555chip wrote: post #312
robertlagrant wrote: post #272

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It goes without saying that your experience is completely irrelevant, unless you can prove that you had my hardware working out of the box on one of those devices. Have a look at this simple tutorial[0]. Compare it to "plug it in" on Windows. [0] https://www.linuxfordevices.com/tutorials/ubuntu/install-tp-...

Without reading your link yet, I don't understand why is it difficult to understand when I say all my devices on all the Dell (and Alienware), HP and Lenovo PC's I've bought the past two decades just work on Linux.

It's extremely easy to understand. That doesn't make it relevant.
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