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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by ForkMeOnTinder »

ElectricalUnion wrote: post #252
smoldesu wrote: post #82

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Ideally, we get the best of both worlds. The isolation technology that Flatpak uses (bubblewrap) isn't exclusive to Flatpaked apps, so someone could probably make a distro with isolation by-default if they were motivated enough. > What distro would you recommend to somebody like me who wants to be asked before an application gets access Use an immutable distro like Silverblue or Kinoite. Those are more-or-less Flatpa…

> The isolation technology that Flatpak uses (bubblewrap) isn't exclusive to Flatpacked I wish flatpacked apps actually used the isolation (most don't, so http://flatkill.org/2020/ is still true today) but that isolation is mostly under the control of the packager, not you. On this point, Deno ( https://docs.deno.com/runtime/manual/basics/permissions ) and pledge.com ( https://justine.lol/pledge ) are better; you hav…

Most casual users want to see a quick list of permissions and just click allow---not build their own allowlist for every app they download.

If you want to build the allowlist yourself, doesn't firejail already do what you want?

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by sanitycheck »

weberer wrote: post #289
underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

I feel the exact opposite. Changing things in Linux is usually just a checkbox in the settings. Whereas changing things in Mac or Windows can be an uphill battle, digging through registry keys, or installing third-party software just to change basic features. For example, how do you rebind the "switch window" hotkey on a Mac from Cmd+Tab to Alt+Tab? There's no way to do it out of the box. You need to install some thi…

Your Windows link is interestingly all examples of "just a checkbox in the settings", no registry editing, no group policy fiddling and definitely no obscure DOS/PowerShell commands to paste!

(Personally I go further with Win10 - disabling web crap in the start menu does need a registry change. I gather Win11 is worse still.)

OTOH a Linux change I wanted to make recently was to rename Gnome's "Files" and "Files" (!) apps to to "Nautilus" and "Nemo" so I could tell the f*king difference. Right-click & rename? Nope! We're in editing-little-files-land straight away.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by bmicraft »

throw555chip wrote: post #280
criddell wrote: post #26

I hope the community really gets behind Snap or Flatpak or one of the other systems for bringing a modern permissions and privileges system to the Linux desktop. It would help me be a lot more comfortable recommending Linux to non-technical people. What distro would you recommend to somebody like me who wants to be asked before an application gets access to my location, microphone, camera, network, etc...?

> I hope the community really gets behind Snap or Flatpak NO. No. No. No Snap. No flatpak. No rolling release distribution nightmares either. Standard LTS for me (with snap and flatpak disabled with an apt preferences file).

A standard stable LTS system with the ability to update your gui apps is basically what flatpak is all about. I agree though that Canonical is trying too hard to move system packages over to snaps.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by johnbellone »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #126
johnbellone wrote: post #95

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This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. I agree that it is a problem that both systems make you jump through hoops to use them without doing that, but it doesn't seem to elicit the same emotions that come from it being Microsoft. They're both trillion dollar companies that only care about keeping you in their walled garden.

> This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. There's no requirement to create an apple account.

There isn't a requirement to create a Microsoft account, either.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by calamari4065 »

geodel wrote: post #219
calamari4065 wrote: post #140

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I've had a much worse time with hardware on windows than Linux these last couple of years. My work laptop runs Windows and will get stuck in a BSPD bootloop if I turn it on with external monitors connected. My USB keyboard and mouse disconnect every few minutes. Windows may as well not even have Bluetooth for as well as it works. Some devices always show as connected, despite not being present. I have to un-pair my h…

>I've had a much worse time with hardware on windows than Linux these last couple of years. I don't doubt that as I have had same experience. But somehow Windows has to get worse from non-technical users' perspective to be real trouble for Microsoft. So far my spouse still find think Windows is the normal thing despite using rather trouble-free, fast Mac at home for many years along with horribly slow and problematic…

I genuinely, truly do not understand how Microsoft, let alone any user, can accept the current state of Windows' Bluetooth stack. It's completely broken, core features are simply not implemented. Microsoft themselves provide a better Bluetooth UI in one of their WPF demo repos than the one shipped with Windows.

Maybe I'm biased because my job involves building Bluetooth hardware and software for Windows, but even just trying to use normal devices like headphones or controllers is absolute anguish.

Bluetooth on Linux isn't perfect: I frequently have to unpair and repair my headphones, but at least it's feature complete. Anything that Bluetooth can do is exposed. Linux even comes with some really advanced CLI utilities to manage Bluetooth devices. On windows you're lucky to find a WinRT function for what you want, and it probably doesn't even work.

Windows 7 had a complete Bluetooth implementation, but Microsoft decided to rewrite everything from scratch. I guess the intern they delegated it to had to go back to their job at Starbucks before they finished.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by the8472 »

gred wrote: post #81
jerf wrote: post #70

If Microsoft backs off core Windows development, which it certainly seems like they are, this is what we'd expect to see... not a big bang where it suddenly stops working, but every year it'll just sort of fall a bit more behind Linux, until in 4 or 5 years the difference consensus will slowly just creep over to Windows being noticeably worse than Linux without any big bang switchover... and it'll sneak up on Microso…

Interesting thought, but you might be missing the hardware perspective. I switched from Windows to Linux this year, and the biggest issue has been drivers and hardware compatibility: audio available via headphones but not (laptop) built-in speakers, occasional display issues depending on the monitor setup, occasional WiFi issues. If hardware innovation stopped, Linux could catch up easily... but it won't, so there is…

On the other hand once something works on linux it may do so for a long time without being dependent on the vendor to release a new version for each new major windows version. For me it's a cheap old flatbed scanner where the last windows drivers are for XP but it still works on an rolling release distro.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by calamari4065 »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #239
calamari4065 wrote: post #140

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I've had a much worse time with hardware on windows than Linux these last couple of years. My work laptop runs Windows and will get stuck in a BSPD bootloop if I turn it on with external monitors connected. My USB keyboard and mouse disconnect every few minutes. Windows may as well not even have Bluetooth for as well as it works. Some devices always show as connected, despite not being present. I have to un-pair my h…

Linux blows away Windows hardware support on everything except for graphics cards. I set up dual boot on a newish Dell laptop recently and Windows couldn't even access the SSD or the wifi card without installing extra drivers. I haven't had problems that bad on Linux since about 2006.

Even dual booting is less of an option these days. If you aren't careful, windows will clobber your boot records and force itself to be the default and only boot option.

I've even heard of Windows erasing grub during normal updates.

I just erased windows from my personal machines. I've been exclusively on Linux for 5 years or more

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by loufe »

throw555chip wrote: post #167
brightball wrote: post #151

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I have not. Any good links?

Yes Google "Ubuntu 2022" or "Kubuntu 2022" if you prefer KDE (I do), install and run it, that's all you have to do.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by calamari4065 »

john61 wrote: post #190
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #168

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On a work machine, that's more likely to be due to excessive background services installed by the company, particularly antivirus (which is known to kill disk performance, which means it's particularly awful for compiles). Don't get me wrong, I despise windows on its own merits, but I don't think that particular case is a fair comparison; there's a good chance that a completely clean windows VM in the same circumstan…

On Windows antivirus is a necessity, not so on linux. So it OP made a fair practical real live comparison not a synthetic benchmark.

It's not even that, windows forces you to use Defender. It's always on, and you can only disable it temporarily. Even when it's disabled, the process still seems to be active and consuming resources.

It's Norton all over again, except now the malware is an integral part of the operating system and it's harder to remove than any real virus.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by spogbiper »

soupbowl wrote: post #208
eldaisfish wrote: post #40

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i really dislike this line of reasoning. Windows has a much larger installed base so finding support and solutions are pretty easy. Whether that is a video, a blog or a forum, you can always find someone with the same problem. No, windows nagging you to register is not in the same ballpark as your audio not working or your video resolution changing with multiple monitors. No, windows updates adding or removing featur…

I don't disagree with you but have you ever had to google a windows issue in recent history? You get 90 links of 'Microsoft experts' that ask you to run "sfc /scannow" or "chdsk". None of them having a clue what they are talking about. I think it is usually easier to fix windows if you have 'audio not working' but windows 10+ has started to have a lot of non trivial issues and there are no simple google fixes. I have…

> You get 90 links of 'Microsoft experts' that ask you to run "sfc /scannow" or "chdsk".

adding the word "reddit" to the search usually improves the results significantly

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