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Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by gred »

jerf wrote: post #70

If Microsoft backs off core Windows development, which it certainly seems like they are, this is what we'd expect to see... not a big bang where it suddenly stops working, but every year it'll just sort of fall a bit more behind Linux, until in 4 or 5 years the difference consensus will slowly just creep over to Windows being noticeably worse than Linux without any big bang switchover... and it'll sneak up on Microso…

Interesting thought, but you might be missing the hardware perspective. I switched from Windows to Linux this year, and the biggest issue has been drivers and hardware compatibility: audio available via headphones but not (laptop) built-in speakers, occasional display issues depending on the monitor setup, occasional WiFi issues. If hardware innovation stopped, Linux could catch up easily... but it won't, so there is a constant driver treadmill that manufacturers mostly handle for MS on the Windows side, but Linux has to handle somewhat alone. Perhaps the manufacturers will start to help out more and more on the Linux side too, as more users demand compatibility.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by smoldesu »

criddell wrote: post #26

I hope the community really gets behind Snap or Flatpak or one of the other systems for bringing a modern permissions and privileges system to the Linux desktop. It would help me be a lot more comfortable recommending Linux to non-technical people. What distro would you recommend to somebody like me who wants to be asked before an application gets access to my location, microphone, camera, network, etc...?

Ideally, we get the best of both worlds. The isolation technology that Flatpak uses (bubblewrap) isn't exclusive to Flatpaked apps, so someone could probably make a distro with isolation by-default if they were motivated enough.

> What distro would you recommend to somebody like me who wants to be asked before an application gets access

Use an immutable distro like Silverblue or Kinoite. Those are more-or-less Flatpak-only, extremely stable and fairly rigid with security.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by KAMSPioneer »

vorticalbox wrote: post #46
noir_lord wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Perhaps I should have chosen another flavor? That'll ignite a holy war. The trick with linux isn't to learn the flavour, it's to learn linux - once you get an overview of how all the bits work then switching distro is (much) more straightforward. Ubuntu is an excellent first choice because it's one of the major distro's so you'll be able to google stuff more easily. My personal recommendation would be Fedora (and i…

I have been eyeing up Fedora Onyx for the immutable root

Just installed Onyx yesterday on my work machine! So far so good, some niggles as always (it's my first time using Budgie), but overall fairly usable and easy.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by palebluedot »

stingraycharles wrote: post #52
vorticalbox wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been eyeing up Fedora Onyx for the immutable root

You mean Fedora Silverblue? Haven’t heard of Onyx. Edit: ok so I learned about Onyx, which appears to be doing roughly the same thing?

There are different spins of Fedora that are immutable and based on rpm-ostree and flatpaks, the variation being the desktop manager environment:

* Silverblue: GNOME

* Onyx: Budgie

* Kinoite: KDE Plasma

* Sericea: Sway

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by mdhen »

horeszko wrote: post #80
jaeckel wrote: post #69

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As also stated by others you should start learning the basic concepts and no specific flavor/distro to understand how everything fits together. You sound like someone who could very well succeed in that, since you didn't give up yet :) I can only recommend starting to read https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide Once I installed arch I never looked back. I heard good things of the rolling distros of Suse…

"Once I installed arch I never looked back" I'm also very fond of Arch Linux and I use it on my laptop. However Arch is very much DIY and is great for the person who wants to get their hands dirty because with Arch you assemble and maintain the installation yourself. For someone who wants things to work out of the box with no (or minimal) tinkering, I would recommend a different distro. Arch is a distro for learners…

If you want the primary benefit of arch (AUR, best package manager repo) but don't want to do a custom set up then Manjaro is a very good choice.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by patentatt »

pavlov wrote: post #9
JVIDEL wrote: post #7

Win11 its such a dumpster fire they had to stop selling Win10 licenses to force people to upgrade. Add to that porting copilot to Win10 because there aren't enough Win11 users around.

We’ve heard this for every version of Windows for the past twenty years or more. When XP was new, there were people refusing to upgrade from Win2000 to “Fischer-Price Windows”. Well, all versions except Vista — everybody seemed happy to upgrade to Windows 7. (Of course the lesson Microsoft drew from that smooth upgrade was to blow up everything for the next version. “They want tablet interactions, they just don’t kno…

Anecdotal, but I went 2000 -> 7 -> 10, skipping XP, Vista, and 8. Given that cadence, will hopefully be skipping 11 as well and waiting for whatever is next.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by jwells89 »

scheeseman486 wrote: post #14
bryanlarsen wrote: post #5

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One of the major markets for these would be visual art studios. They aren't generally Linux shops.

The improvements coming for Wayland's HDR/color management are likely to help with that, as the features they're aiming for appears to beat Window's more slapdash implementation with per-window color management, where window contents are accurately tonemapped and composited within the widest color space the monitor supports. Adobe would need to be incentivized to port their suite over for it to be taken seriously, bu…

Will Wayland be able to render mixed HDR and SDR content correctly, with e.g. an HDR video on YouTube rendering with extended range while the rest of the screen renders as normal?

Currently only macOS can do that. With Windows you have to choose between SDR and HDR display modes which affects everything on screen regardless of type, which makes SDR content look dingy in HDR mode.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by whalesalad »

dboreham wrote: post #34
codeflo wrote: post #19

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I have a Zen 2 Threadripper box that I dual boot (it's a workstation for coding that I sometimes play games on), and I can confirm. I don't know what the exact technical reason is or why nobody in Redmond is embarrassed. But anything relating to the filesystem is simply dog-slow on Windows, and the more high-end your system is, the more this becomes the major bottleneck.

It's because the NT filesystem is optimized for a different workload. This is why WSL2 (which you should be using) uses ext4 (that's the default with an Ubuntu distro, at least).

> the NT filesystem is optimized for a different workload

a different workload than browsing files in explorer?

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by PoignardAzur »

underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

I've had good results out-of-the-box with PopOS, an Ubuntu variant.
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