Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

phoronix.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 411 posts

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#51

Post by bmicraft »

criddell wrote: post #26

I hope the community really gets behind Snap or Flatpak or one of the other systems for bringing a modern permissions and privileges system to the Linux desktop. It would help me be a lot more comfortable recommending Linux to non-technical people. What distro would you recommend to somebody like me who wants to be asked before an application gets access to my location, microphone, camera, network, etc...?

The thing about snap and flatpak is, that while canonical is heavily pushing snaps, the community seems to be mostly behind flatpak.

What this boils down to for regular use is that some big companies only offer a snap for their proprietary app while most open source stuff seems to be on flatpak. With significant overlap of course.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#52

Post by stingraycharles »

vorticalbox wrote: post #46
noir_lord wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Perhaps I should have chosen another flavor? That'll ignite a holy war. The trick with linux isn't to learn the flavour, it's to learn linux - once you get an overview of how all the bits work then switching distro is (much) more straightforward. Ubuntu is an excellent first choice because it's one of the major distro's so you'll be able to google stuff more easily. My personal recommendation would be Fedora (and i…

I have been eyeing up Fedora Onyx for the immutable root

You mean Fedora Silverblue? Haven’t heard of Onyx.

Edit: ok so I learned about Onyx, which appears to be doing roughly the same thing?

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#53

Post by chx »

noir_lord wrote: post #35
underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

> Perhaps I should have chosen another flavor? That'll ignite a holy war. The trick with linux isn't to learn the flavour, it's to learn linux - once you get an overview of how all the bits work then switching distro is (much) more straightforward. Ubuntu is an excellent first choice because it's one of the major distro's so you'll be able to google stuff more easily. My personal recommendation would be Fedora (and i…

Where do I learn modern desktop Linux? I am using it on servers since 1993 and used for desktop 2004-2017 (and was very unhappy with it) so my desktop knowledge is severely outdated.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#54

Post by underseacables »

noir_lord wrote: post #35
underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

> Perhaps I should have chosen another flavor? That'll ignite a holy war. The trick with linux isn't to learn the flavour, it's to learn linux - once you get an overview of how all the bits work then switching distro is (much) more straightforward. Ubuntu is an excellent first choice because it's one of the major distro's so you'll be able to google stuff more easily. My personal recommendation would be Fedora (and i…

Thank you, The documentation is really important for me I guess. I feel more comfortable with documentation carefully laid everything out; screenshots are gold.

Is there a book that you would recommend that would help a novice like myself learn Linux better?

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#55

Post by CuriousCosmic »

okr wrote: post #37
underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

> And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar?

You actually can, it's just they don't expose most of it to the user. However people have built tools [1] that give you a pretty UI to manage those more complex configs and apply them to windows. Bonus points in that you can use all the old windows UI elements from previous versions of windows and mix and match them as you choose.

Honestly I couldn't tolerate Windows 11 without something like ExplorerPatcher.

1. https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#56

Post by jamesfmilne »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #5
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #2

Not surprised though, with AMD being able to patch the Linux kernel and scheduler to its liking in order to squeeze out the maximum performance for it's architecture, versus depending on Microsoft to have the good will to figure it out on their own dime. I'd be curious if the businesses buying these $20k+, 96-core, HEDT workstations actually do run Windows on them in order for this to be that big of a problem for Mic…

One of the major markets for these would be visual art studios. They aren't generally Linux shops.

We sell systems based on these high-end workstations and yes they do run Linux, Rocky Linux 8 at the moment.

Still stuck on Xorg because reasons, but for HDR monitoring you're usually using a display interface card with SDI or HDMI outputs anyway.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#57

Post by okr »

eldaisfish wrote: post #40
okr wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

i really dislike this line of reasoning. Windows has a much larger installed base so finding support and solutions are pretty easy. Whether that is a video, a blog or a forum, you can always find someone with the same problem. No, windows nagging you to register is not in the same ballpark as your audio not working or your video resolution changing with multiple monitors. No, windows updates adding or removing featur…

So serious. I find the linux community indeed very resourceful. And the ones for windows, after you have clicked thousands of banners away, that tell you the workaround for avoiding the registering after a long text of nothing, i find them resourceful too.

My point was, that it is always difficult to enter a new domain. So it is a shared pain.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#58

Post by underseacables »

okr wrote: post #37
underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

Windows 11 should be classified as a hate crime.. Just the fact that I'm deceitfully "required" to create a Microsoft just to use the system is an abomination. On some systems, I've seen that there is a way to bypass that account creation, and just have a local account, but it was so hidden and deceitful that it was… emotional..

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#59

Post by whalesalad »

fredgrott wrote: post #18

I just did a mind meld of what one needed to do to get a M3 performance wise through using NVIDIA and Intel chips... Take away a 13900 or 14000 intel CPU and an NVIDIA 4090 will give m3 performance...cheap ipower tower at best buy for $1800...see https://fredgrott.substack.com/p/beating-m3-in-a-flutter-dev... Had to figure out which way to go with the assumption that production app builds was through cloud...currentl…

The latest AMD HEDT processors just dropped. They smoke the top end Intel chips (14900K) but they cost 3-5k a piece lol.

https://www.phoronix.com/review/threadripper-7970x-7980x-lin...

Assuming money is no object: If you want fast cores, get an Intel. If you want lots of cores, get AMD.

I was with you until you said 4090... of course that is going to smoke an M3 it's a $2000 GPU. When you consider the M3 is a CPU and GPU combined, it is a pretty compelling offering.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#60

Post by underseacables »

bmicraft wrote: post #38
underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

Ubuntu is mostly fine and a good middle ground for new users between bleeding edge (Arch, Fedora) and outdated software (Debian) IMHO. It's also probably the best place to start simply because of the mountains of documentation that exist for it because of its large userbase. I would also like to add that often you'll find answers to stuff telling you to use a couple of commands when instead you could use existing gui…

I deeply appreciate the GUIs.
Post reply on HN