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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #11
buggythebug wrote: post #8

performance means nothing if the software you require doesn't run on it

Do you have particular applications on mind?

There are a huge number of business-specific Windows-only apps out there, because for so long Windows (and DOS before it) was what everyone ran on. So when you hired some college CS student for three months to create that custom app for your business workflow, it ran on Windows. And it's still there running the business, and so you can't change because that would mean replacing the app. Source code? What's that?

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by sanitycheck »

underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

I've been having a reasonably good experience with Pop OS, which is Ubuntu-based but different in a bunch of ways. The makers (System76) put it on the computers they sell so they have a strong incentive to make it "just work", and that seems to have mostly worked out well.

As someone with years of light Linux experience but no patience for pissing about with config all day, my golden rule is to avoid updating anything ahead of the version that the distro bundles. E.g. no I shall not be updating my Nvidia drivers independently!

I like docker for arbitrary command line software I haven't checked the source for, Flatpak (or Snap/AppImage I guess) for big complicated GUI software, and if those aren't options I sometimes run things in a VM if I don't trust them not to screw up the system (hello Tizen Studio!). I ended up installing Blender from Steam, of all places.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by nerdjon »

This alone isn't surprising, but what I really want to know is if this hit is something fundamentally wrong with Windows or is it the overhead of all of the stuff that Windows runs that doesn't need to run, since it mentions "out of the box" windows.

Is the performance difference as large on a LTSC version of Windows 10? If it needs something in Windows 11, would it be as big of a difference on the LTSC version of Windows 11 when that comes out (I know we can't answer this at the moment)?

I would never use Windows on a server, but I am very curious about where the difference really is.

Part of why I am really curious is that on my Steam Deck I run the LTSC version of Windows 10 and got better performance on my games on Windows 10 vs SteamOS. That is just gaming, but it has made me more curious about what the reality is.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by doublerabbit »

Ubuntu is such a turn-off experience for servers. The cloud-init feature is atrocious.

You download a "server-live" iso. 2GB. However this uses the cloud-init to download the required files. Why did I download a 2GB file if your going to download it from the net anyway?

There is no option to not install from the net without removing network adapter.

Boggles me why am I being asked to upgrade my installer while installing, what's the point in that? "There is a new version on GitHub" ...

If your shipping an installer it should install. Not ask me to download a newer version. Why is there a new version, is the bundled version security ridden?

It decided to just pluck a DHCP IPv6 and use that, without any confirmation.

I setup a 50G Luks Encrypted LVM crypt yet discovered that it only allocates 25G leaving the other half to float.

You need to know YAML to configure networking.

Resolv.conf is taken hostage by systemd-resolvd which doesn't work!

The whole process was infuriating. This was an install for an email server yesterday.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

okr wrote: post #120
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? IDK, because the real question here is why can't YOU do it? Because that's definitely possible, anyone can do it with a few clicks from the GUI, there's nothing stopping you from doing that. Pretty sure my 5 year old nephew can figure out how to get to Right click -> Taskbar setting, where stuff can be removed from the taskbar. There are plenty of faults with Win…

How do i remove teams or the stupid weather badge from the task bar? I can remove explorer and edge with a right-click, just those two i can not. It is inconsistent. That it is not impossible with a few more clicks and that i have to know, where to find it, well, duh.

>How do i remove teams or the stupid weather badge from the task bar?

In the time you have written this rant/question here you could have typed it instead in Google, Copilot or ChatGPT and have gotten your answer already instead of falsely complaining that "its impossible to remove something" when it's not.

Yes, some things will always be unintuitive to the user that's new to any OS, but that's the issue with any other OS including MacOS and Linux distros when you're brand new to them and use it for the first time.

There's always gonna be a learning curve and you'll need to Google a bit to figure some stuff out in the beginning regardless of your OS of choice, but that's a long way from saying "it cannot be done" when the main issue is you can't be bothered to Google something basic.

Excuse the bluntness here in my comments, but how do people manage to get into highly paid technical careers while not being able to Google "how to remove X from Windows taskbar?".

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

johnbellone wrote: post #95
underseacables wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 11 should be classified as a hate crime.. Just the fact that I'm deceitfully "required" to create a Microsoft just to use the system is an abomination. On some systems, I've seen that there is a way to bypass that account creation, and just have a local account, but it was so hidden and deceitful that it was… emotional..

This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. I agree that it is a problem that both systems make you jump through hoops to use them without doing that, but it doesn't seem to elicit the same emotions that come from it being Microsoft. They're both trillion dollar companies that only care about keeping you in their walled garden.

> This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account.

There's no requirement to create an apple account.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by moffkalast »

underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

When you say Ubuntu I presume you mean the default Gnome version? If you're really looking to replace Windows then KDE (i.e. Kubuntu) is far closer in terms of UX and 22.04 is pretty solid in my experience. Still tedious at times of course.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by gumballindie »

sanitycheck wrote: post #94
gumballindie wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away Perhaps your training was done with chatgpt or some other procedural text generator because that hasn't been the case for quite a while now. Some people should stick with poorly engineered operating systems such as Windows, since stepping out of one's comfort zone is not for everyone. Some people _need_ to be told what to do and h…

43's an exaggeration, but when something goes wrong the command-line is generally the only way to fix it even in the friendliest of distros. In the old days in order to effectively use Linux at all anyone would have had to become familiar with the terminal and how it all works. Nowadays users only have to do that when something goes wrong - and of course that's great progress, but it does mean that those users are le…

> Personally I'd like to see all this stuff hooked up to a GUI, with easily accessible docs for everything built in.

That is indeed something i’d also like to see more of, but the number of times when i needed the command line is quite low. Ironically I have more issues with my windows install on a very modern laptop - drivers suck, need to use the command line to disable windows built in spyware, file sharing is flakey and so on. My linux machines all work. Linux on the same laptop just works. Also linux not being a commercial os is expected to have some issues around the edges but overall it beats windows in all technical areas except where vendor lock in kicks in.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by SoylentYellow »

underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

> My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious

After using Linux daily over 10 years now, this is exactly how I feel about Windows now. I instantly get frustrated any time I have to use Windows.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by katsura »

unsungNovelty wrote: post #105
underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

I have been using using Linux for 16 years in total and 7+ years as my primary OS. Ubuntu itself is a performance hog due to snaps. And Ubuntu is NOT beginner friendly. As an ex-IT guy and as a linux enthusiast, It was not when I deployed it to developers and tech people in my company. And it is not beginner friendly when I install it to my friends & family. I used to use Ubuntu for work until last week. Used it beca…

Arch can be made easier if you use Manjaro[0], for example. I used Manjaro for years before switching to Mac, and it was rock stable. I had Timeshift[1] installed and set up to be able to roll back just in case I messed something up. In general though, I never felt like I had to mess around with the terminal and a bunch of commands, only if I really wanted to.

[0] https://manjaro.org/

[1] https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift

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