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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by bitwize »

libraryatnight wrote: post #291
okr wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

I've been able to disable most of the things I do not like on win11 pro, so far, but if it weren't for how much I use Ableton I would be all in on Linux at this point. If anybody knows anyone at Ableton, please tell them to do a Linux edition :P

Or at least check that it works on Wine. I find these days that when Windows programs work on Wine they work very, very well.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by bitwize »

okr wrote: post #57
eldaisfish wrote: post #40

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i really dislike this line of reasoning. Windows has a much larger installed base so finding support and solutions are pretty easy. Whether that is a video, a blog or a forum, you can always find someone with the same problem. No, windows nagging you to register is not in the same ballpark as your audio not working or your video resolution changing with multiple monitors. No, windows updates adding or removing featur…

So serious. I find the linux community indeed very resourceful. And the ones for windows, after you have clicked thousands of banners away, that tell you the workaround for avoiding the registering after a long text of nothing, i find them resourceful too. My point was, that it is always difficult to enter a new domain. So it is a shared pain.

The old joke goes, though, that you have to prompt-engineer the Linux community to get a useful response, e.g., "Linux sucks because I can't do X" instead of "How do I do X?"

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by wmf »

kstrauser wrote: post #288
jwells89 wrote: post #87

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Will Wayland be able to render mixed HDR and SDR content correctly, with e.g. an HDR video on YouTube rendering with extended range while the rest of the screen renders as normal? Currently only macOS can do that. With Windows you have to choose between SDR and HDR display modes which affects everything on screen regardless of type, which makes SDR content look dingy in HDR mode.

On that subject, anyone know why shifting to HDR dims everything that way? My mental model of it is that SDR brightness goes from 0 to 100, and HDR brightness goes from -100 to 100, and that turning on HDR moves everything not HDR-aware down to the bottom of the brightness space. I could look this up, but never think about it outside of conversations like this and figure it might be more fun to talk about it.

It's more like SDR goes from 0 to 255 and HDR goes from 0 to 1024. In SDR mode, 255 = (say) 500 nits while in HDR mode 1024 = 1000 nits and thus 255 = 250 nits so SDR content looks dimmer.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by beebeepka »

ragnese wrote: post #153
criddell wrote: post #26

I hope the community really gets behind Snap or Flatpak or one of the other systems for bringing a modern permissions and privileges system to the Linux desktop. It would help me be a lot more comfortable recommending Linux to non-technical people. What distro would you recommend to somebody like me who wants to be asked before an application gets access to my location, microphone, camera, network, etc...?

As someone who has been using Linux exclusively for my personal machines since 2007, here's the chicken-and-egg problem that the Linux world is constantly battling: new technology is always being released and pushed out before it actually works. It's happened constantly since I started using Linux: KDE 4.0, PulseAudio, btrfs (to be fair, most distros didn't really push btrfs as a default), Wayland, etc, and now Flatp…

My experience does not match your assertions. The Linux desktop has never been more accessible.

My mother in law has been happily running manjaro with gnome for a while. Now, truth to be told, she was navigating gnome 2 Ubuntu more than a decade ago but things were mostly not working back then. Upgrading versions was a minefield with mostly terrible results.

Maybe the state of things suited you better somehow. I just can't imagine how.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by _Algernon_ »

whalesalad wrote: post #293
jklinger410 wrote: post #247

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That's good to know! Is there any formal proof of said theory? Like what is this analytics layer called, and is the tunneling something that devs are aware of? Just interested in putting some names to this theory so I don't sound like a loon when I try and describe it.

Oh it's definitely still a theory - but we've collectively proven it through our anecdotal experiences over the last 20+ years of using Windows.

That is not how it works lol

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by mmcnl »

alentred wrote: post #220

In the context of Linux adoption on the desktop it is not big news, unfortunately. To my mind, overall end-user experience is already better in Linux compared to Windows where similar tasks are more complicated, even before the raw performance starts to matter . Better performance would be a prerequisite indeed - no one wants to move a slower OS - but then there must be other convincing reasons to drive the desktop u…

The end user experience is way better on Windows than Linux. And I say that as someone who uses Linux (Ubuntu Gnome) daily. You really have to appreciate the freedom of choice that FOSS brings you to appreciate Linux. If you don't care, as most people do, you're probably better off with Windows.

Ofcourse you can counter my reasoning by listing a lot of problems with Windows. And I can assure you that most people don't care about the stuff you (as a Linux user) would care about.

Windows just works. It has Office, Excel, Word, PowerPoint. It's familiar. Instructions for any kind of software contain Windows instructions. Friends and family can help you if you have problems. Etc.

(Windows is the only OS that can handle different fractional scaling factors properly for multiple displays. Fractional scaling on Linux is a joke, and macOS doesn't care about low DPI screens at all so everything looks terrible.)

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by oldpersonintx »

ragnese wrote: post #314
throw555chip wrote: post #284

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> Honestly, when it comes to "just working," desktop Linux is worse today than it was when I first installed it on my budget laptop in 2007. I bought a new Alienware PC in summer 2022, installed Ubuntu immediately, wiping Windows. Everything worked. Still does. This happens on every new Dell (or Alienware), HP or Lenovo desktop or laptop I've bought the past 2 decades. I can't buy a new machine that has issues with L…

> Honestly, do you work in Microsoft marketing. I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'll take the bait this time. Read my comment again. In it I literally say that I run Linux exclusively on my personal machines. I don't have a Windows computer in my home and the only Mac I have that's still running macOS is a work-issued laptop. What are your Linux-never-Windows credentials? Because I bet they don't beat mine unless yo…

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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by beebeepka »

johnbellone wrote: post #304
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #126

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> This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. There's no requirement to create an apple account.

There isn't a requirement to create a Microsoft account, either.

Indeed there isn't. I bought an OEM license for gaming and decided to unplug my ethernet just in case. Wasn't asked to create an account. Not sure if this is the only way to avoid it short of installing one of those cool corporate builds.

I read things will improve next year thanks to the EU, though: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/europeans-can-soon-s...

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by dagmx »

kstrauser wrote: post #288
jwells89 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will Wayland be able to render mixed HDR and SDR content correctly, with e.g. an HDR video on YouTube rendering with extended range while the rest of the screen renders as normal? Currently only macOS can do that. With Windows you have to choose between SDR and HDR display modes which affects everything on screen regardless of type, which makes SDR content look dingy in HDR mode.

On that subject, anyone know why shifting to HDR dims everything that way? My mental model of it is that SDR brightness goes from 0 to 100, and HDR brightness goes from -100 to 100, and that turning on HDR moves everything not HDR-aware down to the bottom of the brightness space. I could look this up, but never think about it outside of conversations like this and figure it might be more fun to talk about it.

Consider that your display can only do 0-100 brightness (not really but for sake of argument)

In SDR, you map the full SDR range (also 0-100) to that 0-100.

When you add HDR, you’re now adding levels above 100 (let’s say 0-200).

If your display can only do upto 100, you now need to put all the 0-100 stuff in 0-50. Or you get a display that can also display 0-200.

Very few computer displays can do over a standard SDR range of 500 nits.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by mmcnl »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #126
johnbellone wrote: post #95

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This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. I agree that it is a problem that both systems make you jump through hoops to use them without doing that, but it doesn't seem to elicit the same emotions that come from it being Microsoft. They're both trillion dollar companies that only care about keeping you in their walled garden.

> This isn't any different than being "required" to create an Apple account. There's no requirement to create an apple account.

The same goes for the Microsoft account. That's the whole point. I have been happily running Windows without a Microsoft accounts for years. You can just skip the step during installation.
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