See also: 1) The Second Brain by Michael Gershon. 2) Gut: The Inside Story Of Our Body's Most Under-Rated Organ by Julia Enders.
And “I Contain Multitudes” by Ed Wong.
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#172This should be taken into account when researching the health effects of coffee. I can drink about as much tea as fits into my stomach without too many mental effects, but coffee (or lack thereof) has strong effects. Just caffeine cannot explain this.
Have you tried decaf longer term?
I started getting panic attacks about 10 years ago and narrowed it down to coffee, so I went from 2-3 cups per day, to 1 cup before noon only and that helped.
Then my life got a lot harder and panic attacks came back, so I'm on strictly decaf for the last 3 years. No more panic. Noticeably less anxiety. It's so directly related for me that sometimes I'm on vacation and have regular coffee. After 2-3 days of relaxing my decaf-only rule, I feel it coming.
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“The human body” is the single I/O mechanism. Everything deeper than that is an implementation detail
What kind of input/output are you talking about?
Isn't it like saying the human body is a PC which has inputs (ports) and outputs (display, sounds) and the brain is like a CPU which has its own inputs and outputs? and you can always go further i.e the transistors have their own inputs and outputs
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Yes you are probably right, but generally I don't get why AGI needs to be 100% mimicking every aspect of human, just better/faster. Like proverbial skynet can have extreme excellence in one/few aspect of general intelligence but can be muted to almost 0 on everything else, say emotions, yet still be falling into AGI behavior and could take over the world. It doesn't need to simulate gut interactions to get there. And…
> And I think for such an entity we may be closer to emerging than we like Why are people talking about it as if it was a bad thing? If I listen to people everyone seems to be dissatisfied with their life as of now, due to work, politics, society and everything else. If AGI was to arrive it would potentially remove those frustrations, right.
> If AGI was to arrive it would potentially remove those frustrations, right.
We don’t really know what happens next. There are optimistic outcomes that AGI could enable, but this tech is ultimately being built and distributed by humans currently deeply beholden to the system that everyone seems dissatisfied with.
AGI is not some savior that bursts onto the scene and magically fixes problems. There’s a lot of very messy human work ahead of us if we ever hope to integrate it with society in a way that actually removes those frustrations. And this is not a guaranteed outcome.
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#175I've noticed that my 'first' brain acts faster and better if my 'second' brain is feeling good. Probiotic foods, plenty of water and movement have been key factors there.
There's also a strange satisfaction when skipping one or two meals. Even though you feel craving food for a little while, there's a feeling of being light, lean and sharp, even mentally.
> There's also a strange satisfaction when skipping one or two meals.
Is this a fact or your personal experience?
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What kind of input/output are you talking about?
Isn't it like saying the human body is a PC which has inputs (ports) and outputs (display, sounds) and the brain is like a CPU which has its own inputs and outputs? and you can always go further i.e the transistors have their own inputs and outputs
If that's what is meant by 'an input/output mechanism' then it seems like a pointless observation. It's just saying "you can do things to it, and you can observe things about it", which is true of pretty much anything.
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#177I’ve recently moved to a meat heavy diet, and that pretty much fixed my ibs completely. I still get flare ups if I eat too many oranges or bananas, but eating meat on every meal is absolutely essential.
Quitting drinking for three years fixed mine, an unexpected side effect. Going keto also taught me that wheat gives me heart burn, which again, wasn’t an expected side effect. I drink and eat small amounts of wheat now without issue. Having been skeptical, I think I would recommend elimination diets to people just to see if there’s an unexpected benefit to cutting an unexpected item
After quitting drinking, did it take 3 years to see the effect? Do you drink any non-alcoholic/0.0% beers?
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Plenty of people lived entire lives without being hungry most of the time, but also without obesity being common.
My theory is fairly broad and vague, but your comment has taken those two things to an extreme.
I'm just pointing out that your theory is trivially disproven.
An excess of comfort is probably still bad, but I doubt it's the main cause of obesity.
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> you will reach human intelligence by just modeling the brain I'm not so sure. I mean obviously this is very complicated and we still know very little of the brain. Just one example (from what I understand) you can't really separate intelligence from emotions. There are researchers in emotions that explain our whole system of affect/feeling/emotion/mood/etc. as a very effective abstraction of all the inputs from our…
You won't have a working human brain emulation, but that doesn't preclude some other form of general intelligence with different emotional drivers being developed.
The poster spoke of human intelligence, not general intelligence. I was trying to say that emotions are not just simple drivers they are structurally important pieces that we use to represent the world and that we use in all our cognition. I don't think the human intelligence easily can be separated from emotions since our whole system is built around it.
An older but still popular view of the human mind separate the brain and body as two parts. And we also like to separate emotions and intelligence. From my amateur understanding that does not correspond to modern neuroscience, it is all a very integrated system. We usually like clear and separate categories instead of fuzzy complicated integrated systems.
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There’s been some studies for 20g per day to help with chronic migraine. (0) 40g/220lbs, 0.4g/kg. Prevention of traumatic headache, dizziness and fatigue with creatine administration. (1) Similarly, a review of 6 studies found that doses of 5–20 gram of the compound may improve short-term memory and intelligence in healthy people. (2) 0. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/03331024209310... 1. https://www.n…
Be sure to check the timeframes involved. Creatine is a naturally produced in your body, and you also get some from diet. Your body reaches saturation at a rate that varies by person. Some people will see near to 0 benefit from creatine as their body is already producing a near maximal amount of it. But even for those with low creatine levels, a brief loading phase (of ~25g a day for a week) and then 5g a day mainten…
The 0 one is a meta study. It goes deeper into Huntington's 30g, Parkinson’s, elderly with cognitive decline, and supplementing for help with memory related tasks. I didn’t dive deep into all either because I saw what applied to me and decided to see the results.
I think dividing the dosages throughout the day would help offset the stomach issues some and there have been 5 year long studies showing creatine doesn’t have any major risks with 5-7% people experiencing GI issues during loading phases.
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