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Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Why wouldn’t the first assumption be that the bulk of these differences arise from compiler and runtime library (memcpy, etc.) efficiency distinctions rather than the OS?

I appreciate that to the end user it doesn’t matter which parts of the stack are better tuned, but framing this as “Windows vs. Linux” seems unjustified without more evidence.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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post #57

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So serious. I find the linux community indeed very resourceful. And the ones for windows, after you have clicked thousands of banners away, that tell you the workaround for avoiding the registering after a long text of nothing, i find them resourceful too. My point was, that it is always difficult to enter a new domain. So it is a shared pain.

My limited point here is that linux has a lot of problems that are showstoppers. You sometimes cannot do what you want to do. The average person cares about about usability first. Visually, linux is excellent and very useable. The problem is, should things go wrong, the level of technical skill needed to use community resources is relatively high.

> Visually, linux is excellent and very useable.

On a superficial level maybe. But generally it’s still very unpolished, inconsistent and has poor UX design. Of course it’s matter of taste.

Not sure why your comment is being downvoted though? I find it hard to imagine how could anyone disagree with it from the perspective of an “average” computer user.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#113

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

I have been using using Linux for 16 years in total and 7+ years as my primary OS. Ubuntu itself is a performance hog due to snaps. And Ubuntu is NOT beginner friendly. As an ex-IT guy and as a linux enthusiast, It was not when I deployed it to developers and tech people in my company. And it is not beginner friendly when I install it to my friends & family. I used to use Ubuntu for work until last week. Used it beca…

Arch is terrible due to their bare testing package release policy.

Generally accepted recommends:

- Windows converts: Mint

- General: Fedora / PopOS

- Rolling: Suse Tumbleweed

- Config fanatics: Nix

- Minimalistic fanatics: Void / Alpine

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#114

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You mean Fedora Silverblue? Haven’t heard of Onyx. Edit: ok so I learned about Onyx, which appears to be doing roughly the same thing?

There are different spins of Fedora that are immutable and based on rpm-ostree and flatpaks, the variation being the desktop manager environment: * Silverblue: GNOME * Onyx: Budgie * Kinoite: KDE Plasma * Sericea: Sway

And don't forget the community spins based off ublue, like Bazzite!

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#115

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

So... your complaints are about Linux as a desktop, direct-use environment. The linked article is about a datacenter device (or at least a dedicated build box, virtually all 7995WX chips are going to be deployed headless for sure). But for sure all the skills you need to use to deploy and administer a dedicated 96 core monster are for sure ones you can productively apply to install packages or whatnot on your Ubuntu/Fedora/Arch/Mint/whatever laptop.

But also, all that said: if you want a Linux laptop where everything "normal" works with no fuss, just buy a Chromebook.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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One of the major markets for these would be visual art studios. They aren't generally Linux shops.

Funny you mention this because a lot of big visual arts studios use Mac for the artwork in the Adobe ecosystem, and heavily invested in Linux for the 3D rendering pipelines as they moved away from SGI/BSD with Windows almost nowhere on the radar. I'd estimate the number of big-name shops running Windows is a minority with only smaller indie studios like Corridor Digital being all-in on Windows because it's a jack of…

My experience is exclusively with small studios, which were Windows shops.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#117

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

YMMV.

I switched off of OSX as my primary machine around 2015 and moved to full time Linux. Just decided to commit and fully dove in. I tried several different flavors for months at a time from Fedora to Ubuntu. Eventually I settled on PopOS.

I was really happy with everything up until my work shifted to management and spending > half my day on Zoom calls. For some reason, I periodically would have issues with peripherals. Picking the wrong mic, having to close and reopen Zoom, correct camera not working, etc. None of this is an issue if you're on a laptop but it regularly was a problem since I used my machine as a desktop all day.

I decided I finally need to get a machine with a beefy GPU this year with all of the LLM stuff happening (plus my son is getting into PC gaming) so I bought an Alienware desktop with Windows. First Windows computer I've owned since 2005. Now I have a 3 screen setup where my middle and left screen are the Windows computer, my fully loaded System76 Meerkat is on the right using Barrier and 99% of my development work is remote on that machine.

No issues with the peripherals for meetings on the Windows machine. Still greatly prefer the Linux machine for everything else but the reliability of knowing that my peripherals are going to work for meetings has been important. Plus, I started a tech podcast (Carolina Code Cast) and that's been important for all of the A/V that goes with it.

All that to say, there are tradeoffs. Eventually, I hope that Linux will have first class peripheral support. I'd like nothing more than to install it on this Alienware machine one day.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#118

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

I have been using using Linux for 16 years in total and 7+ years as my primary OS. Ubuntu itself is a performance hog due to snaps. And Ubuntu is NOT beginner friendly. As an ex-IT guy and as a linux enthusiast, It was not when I deployed it to developers and tech people in my company. And it is not beginner friendly when I install it to my friends & family. I used to use Ubuntu for work until last week. Used it beca…

Is it possible that some of the perceived performance gains come from comparing an old installation (with lots of tools and packages that are no longer used) with a brand new installation?

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

#119

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

> My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away Perhaps your training was done with chatgpt or some other procedural text generator because that hasn't been the case for quite a while now. Some people should stick with poorly engineered operating systems such as Windows, since stepping out of one's comfort zone is not for everyone. Some people _need_ to be told what to do and h…

And some people need to thinking about how inherently superior they are compared to most other people to feel good about themselves.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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post #37

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No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

>And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? IDK, because the real question here is why can't YOU do it? Because that's definitely possible, anyone can do it with a few clicks from the GUI, there's nothing stopping you from doing that. Pretty sure my 5 year old nephew can figure out how to get to Right click -> Taskbar setting, where stuff can be removed from the taskbar. There are plenty of faults with Win…

How do i remove teams or the stupid weather badge from the task bar? I can remove explorer and edge with a right-click, just those two i can not. It is inconsistent.

That it is not impossible with a few more clicks and that i have to know, where to find it, well, duh.

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