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Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by namrog84 »

lowkey_ wrote: post #17
Multiplayer wrote: post #5

I'm very unclear on how board members can remove other board members. If Sam, Greg and Ilya are on the same "team" now that's 3.... vs. 3. What's the mechanism at use here for board removal and how quickly does it happen? And who elects the board members. This is silly.

Board members can remove other board members with a majority vote. Sam, Greg, and Ilya were presumed guaranteed to be the same team, which meant they couldn't be removed (3/6 votes). Ilya switched sides to align with all 3 of the non-founding board members, giving them 4/6 votes, which they used to remove Sam and Greg. Now that they've been removed, there's 4 remaining board members: the non-founding 3 and Ilya. They…

Which is super unfortunate since the other 3 might vote out Ilya now.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by buildbot »

outside1234 wrote: post #336
nextworddev wrote: post #102

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Feels like OpenAI employees aren't so enthused about joining MSFT here, no?

The rumor has it that OpenAI 2.0 will get a LinkedIn "hands-off" style organization where they don't have to pay diversity taxes and other BS that the regular Microsoft org does

Diversity Taxes? Not aware of that on my paycheck. Maybe time to check out alternative sources of information than what you typically ingest.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by hintymad »

Arson9416 wrote: post #61

The fact that these people aren't currently willing to "rewind the clock" about a week shows the dangers of human ego. Nothing permanent has been done that can't be undone fairly simply, if all parties agree to undo it. What we're watching now is the effect of ego momentum on decision making. Try it. It's not a crazy idea. Put everything back the way it was a week ago and then agree to move forward. It will be like h…

I doubt it's human ego but purely game play. The board directors knew they lost anyway, why would they cave and resign? They booted the CEO for their doomer ideology, right? So, they are the ethics guys and would it be better for them to go down the history as those who uphold their principles and ideals by letting OpenAI sink?

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by pedrosorio »

ar_lan wrote: post #126
Arson9416 wrote: post #61

The fact that these people aren't currently willing to "rewind the clock" about a week shows the dangers of human ego. Nothing permanent has been done that can't be undone fairly simply, if all parties agree to undo it. What we're watching now is the effect of ego momentum on decision making. Try it. It's not a crazy idea. Put everything back the way it was a week ago and then agree to move forward. It will be like h…

In general this can't work. People are notoriously ruthless to people who admit their mistakes. For example, if you are in an argument and you lose (whether through poor debate or your argument is plain wrong), and you *admit it*, people don't look back at it as a point of humility - they look at it as a reason to dog pile on you and make sure everyone knows you were wrong. In this case, it's not internet points - it…

> People are notoriously ruthless to people who admit their mistakes

Some people, yes. Not all. I would say this attitude does not correlate with intelligence/wisdom.

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Post by jacquesm »

Davidzheng wrote: post #339
ar_lan wrote: post #130

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Lost money. Same consequence either way, so there is no incentive for them to leave.

They don't have equity in openai though right. You mean from reputation loss?

For starters about 700 employees seem to think their livelihood matters and that the board didn't exercise their duty of care towards them.

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Post by paulddraper »

Arson9416 wrote: post #61

The fact that these people aren't currently willing to "rewind the clock" about a week shows the dangers of human ego. Nothing permanent has been done that can't be undone fairly simply, if all parties agree to undo it. What we're watching now is the effect of ego momentum on decision making. Try it. It's not a crazy idea. Put everything back the way it was a week ago and then agree to move forward. It will be like h…

I believe the saying is "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

The board has revealed something about their decision-making, skills, and goals.

If you don't like what was revealed, can you simply ignore it?

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It's not that you are vindictive; it's that information has revealed untrustworthiness or incompetence.

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Post by inopinatus »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #271
ssnistfajen wrote: post #154

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There's a non-zero chance he was also used as a pawn to deliver the message, but who could be manipulating him then? There's so little actual detail give by anyone in the loop and I think that's what's amplifying the drama so much. Even if the board's motive was weak and unconvincing, I doubt the ratio of employees threatening to quit would be this high had they just said it openly.

Somebody is using a guy with a 160 IQ as a pawn? I for one would like to subscribe to that person's newsletter.

the plot is now so byzantine that only Roko's Basilisk could possibly qualify as the hidden master

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Post by TerrifiedMouse »

mannerheim wrote: post #326
TerrifiedMouse wrote: post #302

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Why did you think 700 signed on? Money. Who let the money in? Altman.

That's a very different claim than just a few compromised people, then. That's almost the entire company that's 'compromised'.

You compromise a few influential people in the organization to get a foot in the door and ultimately your money - which you control. Your money will do the rest.

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Post by shrimpx »

ignoramous wrote: post #282
shrimpx wrote: post #181

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He went full-bore on commercialization, scale, and growth. He started to ignore the 'non-profit mission'. He forced out shoddy, underprovisioned product to be first to market. While talking about safety out one side of his mouth, he was pushing "move fast and break things", "build a moat and become a monopoly asap" typical profit-driven hypergrowth mindset on the other. Not to mention that he was aggressively fundrai…

A distasteful take on an industry transforming company. For one, I'm glad OpenAI released models at the pace they did which not only woke up Google and Meta, but also breathe a new life into tech which was subsumed by web3. If products like GitHub Copilot and ChatGPT is your definition of "shoddy", then I'd like nothing more for Sam to accelerate!

I'm just saying that they should stop talking about "safety", while they are releasing AI tech as fast as possible.
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