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Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by g42gregory »

@sama on X: satya and my top priority remains to ensure openai continues to thrive we are committed to fully providing continuity of operations to our partners and customers the openai/microsoft partnership makes this very doable

This does not sounds like Sam is trying to come back to lead OpenIA. It sounds like he is trying to preserve the non-profit part of OpenAI and its mission. And he is working to line up Microsoft to continue to support the non-profit part. This would make much more sense.

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Post by rmeby »

clnq wrote: post #210
ar_lan wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general this can't work. People are notoriously ruthless to people who admit their mistakes. For example, if you are in an argument and you lose (whether through poor debate or your argument is plain wrong), and you *admit it*, people don't look back at it as a point of humility - they look at it as a reason to dog pile on you and make sure everyone knows you were wrong. In this case, it's not internet points - it…

Is this your opinion or is this something that’s an actual theory in sociology or psychology, or at least something people talk about in practice? Not trying to be mean, just to learn. There’s a whole genre of press releases and videos for apologies, so I’m not sure it’s such a reputational risk to admit one is wrong. It might be a bigger risk not to, it would seem. But what you say sounds interesting.

I would be interested too if that's an actual theory. My experience has largely been that if you're willing to admit you were wrong about something, most reasonable people will appreciate it over you doubling down.

If they pile on after you have conceded, typically they come off much worse socially in my opinion.

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Post by p1esk »

tstrimple wrote: post #270
elwell wrote: post #222

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I don't grok the original tweet very well, and I don't understand what Musk means by his reply. Can someone ELI5?

Essentially Jewish folk are treating white people like the Jews have been treated throughout history and the suffering Jews are experiencing is a result of letting in "hordes of minorities". It's just typical antisemitic nonsense.

I don’t get it - aren’t Jews considered white?

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Post by BillinghamJ »

paulpan wrote: post #300
paulddraper wrote: post #18

As of 10am PT, 700 of 770 employees have signed the call for board resignation. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242

At this point it might as well be 767 out of 770, with 3 exceptions being the other board members who voted Sam out. Sure it could be a useful show of solidarity but I'm skeptical on the hypothetical conversion rate of these petition signers to actually quitting to follow Sam to Microsoft (or wherever else). Maybe 20% (140) of staff would do it?

One of those board members already did sign!

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Post by callalex »

thrwmoz wrote: post #224
nostromo wrote: post #131

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GPUs run on cash, not goodwill. AI researchers also run on cash -- they have plenty of options and an organization needs to be able to reward them to keep them motivated and working. OpenAI is only what it is because of its commercial wing. It's not too different from the Mozilla Foundation, which would be instantly dead without their commercial subsidiary. I would much rather OpenAI survives this and continues to th…

>Mozilla Firefox, once a dominant player in the Internet browser market with a 30% market share, has witnessed a significant decline in its market share. According to Statcounter, Firefox's global market share has plummeted from 30% in 2009 to a current standing of 2.8%. https://www.searchenginejournal.com/mozilla-firefox-internet... Yes where would Mozi//a be without all that cash? Let it die so something better can…

Contrary to popular expectation, almost none of Mozilla’s cash is spent on Firefox or anything Firefox related. Do not donate to Mozilla Foundation. https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest...

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Post by outside1234 »

nextworddev wrote: post #102
mfiguiere wrote: post #37

Amir Efrati (TheInformation): > More than 92% of OpenAI employees say they will join Altman at Microsoft if board doesnt capitulate. Signees include cofounders Karpathy, Schulman, Zaremba. https://twitter.com/amir/status/1726680254029418972

Feels like OpenAI employees aren't so enthused about joining MSFT here, no?

The rumor has it that OpenAI 2.0 will get a LinkedIn "hands-off" style organization where they don't have to pay diversity taxes and other BS that the regular Microsoft org does

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Post by Schiendelman »

jacquesm wrote: post #157
Davidzheng wrote: post #106

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Do they face any real consequences?

Good question. Potentially: Liability based on their decisions. If it turns out those were not ultimately motivated by actual concern for the good of the company then they have a lot of problems.

It’s not a company - which is why they’re able to do this. We’ve just learned, again, that nonprofits can’t make these kinds of decisions because the checks and balances that investors and a profit motive create don’t exist.

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Post by Davidzheng »

ar_lan wrote: post #130
Davidzheng wrote: post #106

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Do they face any real consequences?

Lost money. Same consequence either way, so there is no incentive for them to leave.

They don't have equity in openai though right. You mean from reputation loss?

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Post by belter »

ben_w wrote: post #308
neilv wrote: post #163

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Given 90%, including leadership, seems a bad career move for remaining people not to sign, even if you agreed with the board's action.

Don't forget some might be on holiday, medical leave, or parental leave.

Maybe will be signed by 110% of the employees, plus by all the released, and in training, AI Models.
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