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Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#101

Someone must have formulated a law that says something like the following: "Given sufficient visibility, all people involved in a business dispute will look sad and pathetic."

> "Given sufficient visibility, all people involved in a business dispute will look sad and pathetic."

"involved in a business dispute" is superfluous here, its just a reason that visibility happens.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#102

Amir Efrati (TheInformation): > More than 92% of OpenAI employees say they will join Altman at Microsoft if board doesnt capitulate. Signees include cofounders Karpathy, Schulman, Zaremba. https://twitter.com/amir/status/1726680254029418972

Feels like OpenAI employees aren't so enthused about joining MSFT here, no?

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#103

I'm very unclear on how board members can remove other board members. If Sam, Greg and Ilya are on the same "team" now that's 3.... vs. 3. What's the mechanism at use here for board removal and how quickly does it happen? And who elects the board members. This is silly.

Boards that I have been on do not allow board members to remove other board members - only shareholders can remove board members. I don't know why this is being downvoted.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#104
post #7

I will be very sad if there isn’t a documentary someday explaining what in the world happened. I’m not convinced even people smack in the middle of this even know what’s going on.

Since this whole saga is so unbelievable: what if... board member Tasha McCauley's husband Joseph Gordon-Levitt orchestrated the whole board coup behind the scenes so he could direct and/or star in the Hollywood adaptation?

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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post #12

>we are all going to work together some way or other, and i’m so excited. I think this means Sam is pushing for OpenAI to be acquired by Microsoft officially now, instead of just unofficially poaching everyone.

Is it even possible for that to happen? The entity that governs OpenAI is a registered charity with a well defined purpose, it would seem odd for it to be able to just say "Actually, screw our mission let's just sell everything valuable to this for-profit company". A big part of being a 501(c)(3) is being tax exempt, difficult to see the IRS being ok with this. Even if they were the anti-trust implications are huge,…

They can sell OpenAI to microsoft for 20 billion, fill the board with spouses and grandparents, then use 10 billion for salaries, 9 for acquisitions and 1 for building OpenAi2.

Mozilla wastes money on investments while ignoring firefox and nobody did anything to the board.

Oh and those 3 can vote that Ilya out too.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small amount of residual consequences? The employees are asking for the board to resign. So their jobs are literally on the line. That's not really a small consequence for most people.

They are utterly delusional if they think they will be board members of OpenAI in the future unless they plan to ride it down the drain and if they do that they are in very, very hot water.

Do they face any real consequences?

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#107
I think I've reached peak media saturation for this event. I've been furiously clicking every link for days, but upon reading this one I felt a little bit of apathy/disgust building inside of me.

Time to go be productive with some exercise and coding. Touch grass a little. See where things end up in a day or two.

It's been fun though. So much unexpected drama.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#109
post #58

This is entertaining in a way, and interesting to follow. But should I, as an ordinary member of mankind, root for one outcome or another? Is it going to matter for me how this ends up? Will AI be more or less safe one or other way, will it be bad for competition, prices, etc etc?

No, but it also shows that those who supposedly care about AI alignment and whatnot, care more about money. Which is why AI alignment is becoming an oxymoron.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

#110

The fact that these people aren't currently willing to "rewind the clock" about a week shows the dangers of human ego. Nothing permanent has been done that can't be undone fairly simply, if all parties agree to undo it. What we're watching now is the effect of ego momentum on decision making. Try it. It's not a crazy idea. Put everything back the way it was a week ago and then agree to move forward. It will be like h…

Cofounding a company is in a lot of ways like marriage.

It's not easy, or wise, to rewind the clock after your spouse backstabbed you in the middle of the night. Why would they?

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