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Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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It seems the next step, is the board to sign the letter calling for the board resignation. The insanity will be complete, and all can get back to therapy.

The people responsible for calling for the sacking of the people who sacked the CEO, have just been sacked.

A Møøse once bit my sister...

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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As I posted elsewhere, I think this is a conflict between Dustin Moskovitz and Sam Altman. Ilya may have been brought into this without his knowledge (which might explain why he retracted his position). Dustin Moskovitz was an early employee at FB, and the founder of Asana. He also created (along with plenty of MSFT bigwigs) a non-profit called Open Philanthropy, which was a early proponent of a form of Effective Alt…

Intriguing, thanks. HN does provide gems of insight amidst the repetitive gossip.

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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That would at least make a more damned sense than "everyone is wildly incompetent." At some point Hanlon's razor starts to strain credulity.

> That would at least make a more damned sense than "everyone is wildly incompetent." It seems to be one of many "everyone except one clever mastermind is wildly incompetent" explanations that have been tossed around (most of which center on the private interests of a single board member), which don't seem to be that big of an improvement.

Oh I’m not saying there’s a clever mastermind, I’m just hoping they’re all incompetent and Gordon Levitt wants to amp up the drama for a possible future feature film, instead of them all just being wildly incompetent. Although maybe the latter would make for a great season of Fargo.

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The people responsible for calling for the sacking of the people who sacked the CEO, have just been sacked.

Honestly beginning to wonder if this is all just a marketing stunt.

To gain what exactly? More likely just egos, ideals and financial interests colliding very publicly. To think of the hubris that must be going on at OpenAI at the moment.

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I will be very sad if there isn’t a documentary someday explaining what in the world happened. I’m not convinced even people smack in the middle of this even know what’s going on.

There's already a book being written (see The Atlantic article), so at this point I would assume a movie will be made.

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> compromise a few important people* Haven't 700 or so of the employees signed onto the letter? Hard to argue it's just a few important people who've been compromised when it's almost the entire company.

Why did you think 700 signed on? Money. Who let the money in? Altman.

That's a very different claim than just a few compromised people, then. That's almost the entire company that's 'compromised'.

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As I posted elsewhere, I think this is a conflict between Dustin Moskovitz and Sam Altman. Ilya may have been brought into this without his knowledge (which might explain why he retracted his position). Dustin Moskovitz was an early employee at FB, and the founder of Asana. He also created (along with plenty of MSFT bigwigs) a non-profit called Open Philanthropy, which was a early proponent of a form of Effective Alt…

Okay, I know this is a very naive question, but anyways: might Dustin /the board be onto something regarding AI safety which was not there before?

If there was there are 700 people motivated to leak it and none did. What could they be aware of that the rest of OpenAI would not be aware of? How did the learn about it?

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people responsible for calling for the sacking of the people who sacked the CEO, have just been sacked.

Honestly beginning to wonder if this is all just a marketing stunt.

Or a serious 5D chess move by Satya and Sam to get OpenAI for free

(and for Sam to get himself seriously compensated)

Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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A few things come to mind: * Emmett Shear should have put in a strong golden parachute in his contract, easy money if so * Yesterday we had Satya the genius forcing the board to quit. This morning it was Satya the genius who acquired OpenAI for $0. Im sure there will be more if sama goes back. So if sama goes back - lets hear it, why is Satya a genius?

Even if Sam @ MSFT was a massive bluff, Satya is in a win-win-win scenario. OpenAI can't exactly continue doing anything without Azure Compute. OpenAI implodes? Bought the talent for virtually nothing. OpenAI 2.0 succeeds? Cool, still invested. I think in reality, Sam @ MSFT is not an instant success. Even with the knowledge and know-how, this isn't just spinning up a new GPT-4-like model. At best, they're ~12 months…

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Re: Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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I will be very sad if there isn’t a documentary someday explaining what in the world happened. I’m not convinced even people smack in the middle of this even know what’s going on.

There will also be a Hollywood movie, for sure. My friend suggested Michael Cera as both Ilya and Altman

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