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Nicotine (2016)

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Re: Nicotine (2016)

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Post by mp05 »

mpreda wrote: post #41

I'm a non smoker, I never smoked. Once I decided to try a nicotine chewing gum, took one pillow and chewed it thoroughly. After about 5-10minutes I suffered some very very severe effects, including: I started sweating extremelly such that all my clothes become wet quickly and sweat was dripping down my nose, ears, and into my eyes. I felt an intense and urgent need to urinate and defecate, which luckily I could do on…

Nicotine poisoning is one of the worst feelings imaginable. The headache is stuff of legends and, interestingly, the same headache I had with Covid and for weeks after. I get a bit sick even thinking about it.

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Post by edgyquant »

insanitybit wrote: post #103
reactordev wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try it then. As someone who smoked and quit and have had friends who smoked and quit who also had heroin habits, they corroborate the difficulty. It’s a different type of struggle but the struggle is strong just the same.

I feel like I shouldn't have to try heroin to understand this. A solid paper on the topic would suffice.

No it wouldn’t unless you can consistently reproduce any found results among differing populations and I have serious doubts such a paper, with said follow ups, exists.

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Post by nilespotter »

jdorfman wrote: post #98
thebigspacefuck wrote: post #94

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Why do you get pulled back if there are no benefits?

As I said I’m weak. Edit: the only benefit I get now is not thinking about nicotine until my cravings kick in again. While loop from hell.

Addiction isn't a question of will. You're not weak for not being able to walk away, and you wouldn't be strong if you were able to.

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Post by ThrowAway1922A »

zingababba wrote: post #119

Snus is one of life's greatest pleasures.

It is without a doubt. It's baffling to me that people smoke when things like snus exist. Far, far safer than smoking, much cleaner, and it doesn't impact those around you.

Nicotine is a great drug that the world largely insists of using an awful delivery method for.

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Post by insanitybit »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #106
insanitybit wrote: post #101

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> Nothing after that really has as large of an effect. Most people would disagree - at least, anyone who drinks caffeine would.

Most people can't understand why they aren't feeling well after 1kg of pasta with meatballs. I love caffeine and coffee , but if we are talking about well-feeling, 5 minute calistenics would make you feel better in 99% compared to a cup of sugar laden cappuccino

None of that is relevant. Caffeine has a blatant cognitive effect.

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Post by insanitybit »

reactordev wrote: post #111
insanitybit wrote: post #103

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I feel like I shouldn't have to try heroin to understand this. A solid paper on the topic would suffice.

A simple Google search returns hundreds if not thousands of results. Here’s one for you https://academic.oup.com/ntr/article/20/9/1038/4096884

That paper does not look like it actually measures addiction, and I don't want to sort through hundreds or thousands of results...

But I don't really care. It doesn't sound true but it also doesn't change anything.

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Post by caddemon »

VHRanger wrote: post #56
dijit wrote: post #32

After being on IRC for the best part of two decades (and the fringe groups who frequent the medium) I have seen the word “nootropics” banded about. The first time, I thought it was a fun idea but nothing I wanted, see; my brain is all I have so I dont much fancy experimenting with it- this is also why I avoided alcohol and coffee despite social pressures. The community that formed went away as quickly as it had been…

It might be about the nootropics, but this might also be the conditiona that people who are in IRC chatrooms about braindrugs are more prone to psychotic breaks for whatever reason. Stimulants increase likelihood of psychosis, but that's conditional on dosage and precursor risk variables

Nicotine specifically is also more likely to be used by people with psychotic disorders than the general population, as a form of self-medicating. Many Schizophrenic people report smoking cigarettes to help their symptoms in the short term, though I'm not sure what research says about long term mental health effects of this practice.

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Post by Turing_Machine »

insanitybit wrote: post #65
reactordev wrote: post #58

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The withdrawal effects are more like kicking a heroin addiction.

That doesn't sound true.

Purely anecdotal, but I believe Keith Richards is on record stating that kicking heroin was far easier than kicking nicotine.

There's evidence for this, too -- he quit using heroin decades ago, but only managed to quit smoking a few years back.

So it seems to be true, at least for him.

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