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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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I wouldn't count on anything coming from the circle of Netanyahu. He is the absolute worse. But Israeli mainstream press is generally better sourced. Notice that Israel also used phone tracking to check that civilian population moved away from the target. No county that ran a campaign of this type in the past used such an approach to avoid civilian casualties. I think the bombings are very problematic. But from curre…

> I wouldn't count on anything coming from the circle of Netanyahu. It's not about whether I trust them or not (I don't!). It's that everyone is following the same playbook. Israel can do whatever it wants and blame Palestinians with impunity. Every teenager shot on the street is a militant. Every house that is flattened was used by terrorists. Every journalist that was dies while working was actually killed by the P…

> > I wouldn't count on anything coming from the circle of Netanyahu.

> It's not about whether I trust them or not. It's that everyone is following the same playbook. Every teenager shot on the street is a militant; every house that is flattened was used by terrorists; everyone who has any criticism whatsoever is an antisemite.

I was specifically indicating that my information came from a reputable paper. Not from an a*hole on Twitter. Social media is full of nonsense and terrible people, I don't take part in that.

There is a lot of rage there and a lot of grandstanding.

> What about all the people who can't charge their phones because Israel only allowed 4 hours of electricity per day before the most recent campaign? Or whose phones were destroyed when their homes were destroyed?

This works based on numbers. There are still enough mobile phones to get a sense of movement patterns and target areas that are mostly empty. The army demoed the system to foreign press where areas are marked on a map indicating "safe to bomb" areas. It isn't a perfect system by any stretch but it's the best that can be done in this situation.

I wish there was a way to resolve this without violence. I don't think even the heads of Hamas should be killed. I hope they can be captured and would stand trial if possible. No one should die, especially not the many civilians that are there. But there's absolutely no choice. Every time the Hamas was given leeway it used it for attacks.

Israel released 1000 prisoners, many of them terrorists with blood on their hands as part of a trade a few years back. Most of those terrorists took part in the October 7th attack. They can't help themselves, they are religious fanatics. They are clever enough to manipulate the sentiments we liberals have. Our knee-jerk reaction is to stop violence and they appeal to that. They even manufacture violence against their own people for that purpose.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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I entirely agree, and I feel moreover that it's the moral obligation of the United States to use our substantial foreign policy influence with Israel to compel a more humane treatment of Palestinians. Nevertheless when people point out that this is a "genocide" or that Israel is committing "war crimes" I wonder what point is actually being made. If it wasn't against international law, would that make it ok to collect…

People can make an argument that it is a genocide, and there is a reasonable defense that it is not. If, based on the facts, it doesn't seem to you like a genocide, then that's fine, but it's not like there is no rational basis for those assertions. With war crimes, I recall there being some specific evidence thereof, potentially from the UN. It was brought up during PMQs in Ireland, I think. > But that logic would'v…

It’s not a maybe. By current international law, the US government is guilty of war crimes. It is most definitely guilty of genocide against Japan with the wanton and unnecessary killing of Japanese civilians that can only be seen as a stark retaliation and collective punishment for the preventable events of Pearl Harbor.

That’s how the law is written. There is no maybe about it.

However, the fact that people are largely sympathetic to the US implies that maybe the law is a little too harsh, and does not provide any caveats for situational violence.

International law today is a perfect ideal. It’s like a criminal code that bans murder, but doesn’t include any leeway for self defense or reduced sentences for manslaughter. Only perfect people can hold to its standards and no one is perfect.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Just so everyone understands the scale - Russia killed 550 Ukrainian children in 2.5 yrs of war. In less than 3 weeks, Israel has killed 3000. [1] [1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/un-official-warns-hell-is-... . Edit: Could someone please explain why this comment has been flagged?

Not true. You are comparing independently verified deaths from external sources with Hamas own propaganda. Only in Mauripol russia is believed to have killed around 70 000 civilians.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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It also included offices for the Hamas and was a symbol of its power. That was the main motivation for removing it.

It seems that some people easily believe in Israel propaganda without digging the actual reasons, and how can the people know the actual reasons when the facts are all buried together with the rubbles of communication infrastructure and the main offices of reporting news agencies. It is part of international laws and basic human rights that during the war you cannot demolish communication infrastructure, churches, mo…

It is 100% legal to bomb targets that have dual use (both civilian and military). That is why it is 100% legal for Ukraine to bomb the kerch bridge. It is a bridge used by both civilians and military.

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I'm not sure what your point is?

His point is that you're talking about Israel's blockade but Egypt could also end it, they choose not to.

None of that really engages with what I was talking about. I'm not really interested in this kind of pedantic wank over the exact meaning of "blockade" or playing some sort of partisan blame game. If you think Gaza is "just" some piece of land and Egypt can "just" end its problems then you're either profoundly misinformed or a bad-faith troll.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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His point is that you're talking about Israel's blockade but Egypt could also end it, they choose not to.

None of that really engages with what I was talking about. I'm not really interested in this kind of pedantic wank over the exact meaning of "blockade" or playing some sort of partisan blame game. If you think Gaza is "just" some piece of land and Egypt can "just" end its problems then you're either profoundly misinformed or a bad-faith troll.

There are many more uninformed people on HN on any particular topic than you seem to imply. If you know better, please don't accuse but provide some links.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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And then what? Is Hamas a wart you can simply excise? And if you do, will you just be galvanizing the next generation of fighters? If so many are part of the population, it would seem so...

I believe the Israeli goal is shockingly quaint: get the government in Gaza, who is Hamas, to surrender unconditionally. Attack until the leadership of the movement is completely demoralized and gives up. Mind you I 100% disagree that it is possible. Israel is looking at a long occupation.

Unconditional surrender isn’t a goal, its absolute acquiescence to some goal. So what's the actual goal? Demanding unconditional surrender generally means either annexation or occupation, setting up a replacement government, and leaving either once it stabilizes or when you don’t care about what happens in the territory, anything less, and unconditional surrender was an unnecessary and likely costly demand to get there.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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> I wouldn't count on anything coming from the circle of Netanyahu. It's not about whether I trust them or not (I don't!). It's that everyone is following the same playbook. Israel can do whatever it wants and blame Palestinians with impunity. Every teenager shot on the street is a militant. Every house that is flattened was used by terrorists. Every journalist that was dies while working was actually killed by the P…

> > I wouldn't count on anything coming from the circle of Netanyahu. > It's not about whether I trust them or not. It's that everyone is following the same playbook. Every teenager shot on the street is a militant; every house that is flattened was used by terrorists; everyone who has any criticism whatsoever is an antisemite. I was specifically indicating that my information came from a reputable paper. Not from an…

As an atheist, it seems like there is plenty of fanaticism on both sides.

Its impossible to "pick a side" in this conflict, there are good people and a*holes in both countries.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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> > I wouldn't count on anything coming from the circle of Netanyahu. > It's not about whether I trust them or not. It's that everyone is following the same playbook. Every teenager shot on the street is a militant; every house that is flattened was used by terrorists; everyone who has any criticism whatsoever is an antisemite. I was specifically indicating that my information came from a reputable paper. Not from an…

As an atheist, it seems like there is plenty of fanaticism on both sides. Its impossible to "pick a side" in this conflict, there are good people and a*holes in both countries.

I'm an atheist too. That is a false equivalency.

Guess which country is the 4th or 5th most secular country in the world... It might surprise you: Israel. Yep.

That's thanks to the "Jews" who are jews in creed, not religion. Israel has its fanatics for sure and they gained more power in the last election. But it isn't controlled by its fanatics by any stretch of the imagination.

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