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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Israel has given repeated warnings for the north of Gaza to evacuate south for the past two weeks while Gaza has had internet. In addition, they have dropped leaflets all over the are stating the same thing.

The only real problem is that there isn't anything to evacuate to and whatever they leave behind they'll lose forever.

"Israel didn't warn them."

"Okay, they did, but it doesn't matter."

Got it.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Nearly all of the over 7k people killed in Gaza in the past few days are civilians. Sure Hamas, with the help of the media framing of this as a 9/11, gave them a good Casus belli, but Israel has always been good at finding Casus bellis. When Israel again invaded Gaza in 2014, they killed 2,310 people, 70% civilians and lost 67 soldiers in return. Even more destructive was the 7-10k homes completely demolished and 87k…

>Sure Hamas, with the help of the media framing of this as a 9/11 By what possible metric was it not a 9/11-magnitude event? Proportionally, on a per-capita basis, this attack was to Israel the equivalent of killing 50,000 people out of the US' much larger population. And one in ten people in the US personally knew someone that was killed or wounded on 9/11. Almost certainly far higher, in Israel. And the videos of p…

Would you mind doing the calculation of what the Palestinian casualties corresponds if they were happening in the US? or this does not serve your point?

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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This is propaganda. The UN is begging Israel to allow aid in: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/25/un-gaza-aid-is...

UNICEF:

> We have lost touch with our colleagues in Gaza. I'm extremely concerned about their safety and another night of unspeakable horror for one million children in Gaza. All humanitarians and the children and families they serve MUST be protected. Catherine Russell, UNICEF Executive Director

https://twitter.com/UNICEF/status/1718006187000746048

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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can you elaborate?

Israel has given repeated warnings for the north of Gaza to evacuate south for the past two weeks while Gaza has had internet. In addition, they have dropped leaflets all over the are stating the same thing.

Except it was just a an eyewash, people tried to move got killed on the way, people also got murdered in the so called safe areas by Israel.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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petertodd wrote: > Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future. That is genocidal language where you are holding civilians accountable. The Gazan population does not favor Hamas according to polling prior to October 7th: https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/171800792755696451... Hamas was also boosted by Netanyahu in part to prevent a two-state solution and diminish mo…

> That is genocidal language where you are holding civilians accountable. The entire situation is deeply regrettable and it's hard to find any heroes here, but I feel like we forget our own history so easily. The United States, within living memory, conducted a firebombing campaign of Dresden, which had limited military value, killing over 25,000. We interned over 100,000 of our own citizens of Japanese ancestry. We…

> The entire situation is deeply regrettable and it's hard to find any heroes here, but I feel like we forget our own history so easily.

What exactly is your point? Are you saying that genocide can happen, have happened and so nothing here is a big deal. I would prefer to stand against genocidal language and call it out. I would prefer to avoid a moral nihilism stance personally -- maybe something better like "Never Again": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_again

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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From the wikipedia piece linked to by the person to whom you are replying: Roof knocking occurred during some strikes in the October 2023 Gaza−Israel conflict. And it links to a piece describing the conflict that began October 7th.

I don't know what the situation is since I am not in Gaza, but this CNN article I read early says that it was abandoned recently: https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-ga...

Ah, okay, so they stopped it sometime after this conflict began.

Thank you.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-c...

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Are you reading anything. Nobody is in denial of events. People are simply trying to add important context. The fact that in 2014 Israel destroyed or damaged 100k homes and killed 2,300 people (70% civilian) and lost 87 soldiers in return is IMPORTANT CONTEXT for why things are the way they are.

The fact that this is THE SECOND TIME Israel has invaded Gaza in the past decade is IMPORTANT CONTEXT.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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The Palestinians are not intermittently but continuously oppressed. Israel can stop it at any time but chooses not to, hence the retaliation by the Palestinians. What Israel is doing now is not retaliation but doubling down on their standard M.O. You've got the history backwards, friend.

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Bubble? Oh dear. You show your ignorance in this comment.

> have an airport

There's no airport in Gaza. Yasser Arafat airport was bombed and the runway destroyed in 2001 by Israel 22 years ago.

> a port

Since 2007, the Port of Gaza has been under an Israeli-imposed naval blockade as part of a blockade of the Gaza Strip, and activities at the port have been restricted to small-scale fishing.

> unchecked import

Where are these unchecked imports coming from? Through the closed Egyptian border? Or through the closed Israeli border?

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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At this point, I think Gaza is pretty much doomed. There won’t be much left at the end of this special military operation.

It's estimated that Hamas has between 30,000 and 40,000 soldiers(1), which is about 6% to 8% of Gaza's entire adult male population. There's no way of getting around it: if Israel finishes the job of eradicating Hamas, a large percentage of the Gazan population will be killed or captured, purely because so many of them are actively involved in Hamas. Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they…

And then what? Is Hamas a wart you can simply excise? And if you do, will you just be galvanizing the next generation of fighters? If so many are part of the population, it would seem so...

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Because Russia's invasion is clearly illegal and immoral. Every act they do in furtherance of that goal is a crime. Every bullet fired, every cell phone tower and every power transformer destroyed. Israel is clearly defending themselves against a genocidal adversary who just killed more Jews in one day than any day since the Holocaust. They have every right to invade Gaza to eliminate that threat.

So the thousands of children killed in Gaza are guilty?

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