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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by culi »

dralley wrote: post #80
culi wrote: post #33

Nearly all of the over 7k people killed in Gaza in the past few days are civilians. Sure Hamas, with the help of the media framing of this as a 9/11, gave them a good Casus belli, but Israel has always been good at finding Casus bellis. When Israel again invaded Gaza in 2014, they killed 2,310 people, 70% civilians and lost 67 soldiers in return. Even more destructive was the 7-10k homes completely demolished and 87k…

>Sure Hamas, with the help of the media framing of this as a 9/11 By what possible metric was it not a 9/11-magnitude event? Proportionally, on a per-capita basis, this attack was to Israel the equivalent of killing 50,000 people out of the US' much larger population. And one in ten people in the US personally knew someone that was killed or wounded on 9/11. Almost certainly far higher, in Israel. And the videos of p…

I'm not saying it's not proportionally equivalent. But look at the political blank check 9/11 gave the US to do some insane things. This is why that line is being repeated over and over again in Israeli news. They want that same blank check. Never mind the fact that the amount of Israeli lives lost during that surprise attack pales in comparison to how many Palestinians have been killed in the last decade. Or even just a single year! Look at how many Palestinians (civilians only, even) were killed in 2015

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by petertodd »

bhouston wrote: post #94
petertodd wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hamas has an estimated 30,000 to 40,000 soldiers(1). That's about 6% to 8% of the entire adult Gazan male population. It's impossible to have that many soldiers without widespread support. Maybe not a majority. But certainly a significant minority. Like it or not, a significant percentage of the adult Gazan population are responsible for Hamas because they're actively fighting for Hamas or directly supporting them. P…

> It's impossible to have that many soldiers without widespread support. Maybe not a majority. But certainly a significant minority. Israel wanted Hamas to rule Gaza though and supported it financially while working against moderate Palestinians: > Netanyahu said: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas, ... This is part of o…

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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by bhouston »

paulvnickerson wrote: post #72
culi wrote: post #33

Nearly all of the over 7k people killed in Gaza in the past few days are civilians. Sure Hamas, with the help of the media framing of this as a 9/11, gave them a good Casus belli, but Israel has always been good at finding Casus bellis. When Israel again invaded Gaza in 2014, they killed 2,310 people, 70% civilians and lost 67 soldiers in return. Even more destructive was the 7-10k homes completely demolished and 87k…

> Nearly all of the over 7k people killed in Gaza in the past few days are civilians. This number comes from Hamas, so I would take it with a grain of salt. Hamas intentionally uses its civilians as shields for their military equipment. Here is a quote from Hamas's 1988 charter: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. T…

paulvnickerson wrote:

> This number comes from Hamas, so I would take it with a grain of salt. Hamas intentionally uses its civilians as shields for their military equipment.

Both of these statements are spreading FUD around death numbers that most people in the know believe are accurate: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-dou.... It isn't a great look for you.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by im3w1l »

bluish29 wrote: post #7

Someday, people in the western countries will mourn the lives lost and wish they could help in time. Except this is the time. Not after the fact and a few remains. This is an occurring theme.

I'm mourning their lives right now, but I have no idea what I could do about any of it.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by FireBeyond »

petertodd wrote: post #75
r00fus wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel has been expanding at the cost of Palestine for decades. This is just the last bit. Killing or displacing the 2.2M Palestinians is what it takes for Israel to finally complete their occupation.

In the West Bank, yes. Not in Gaza, where Israel did the exactly opposite of expanding by deoccupying Gaza in 2005, even kicking out thousands of Israli Jews who were living there.

When Israel "resettles" Jews in Gaza, they do it by giving them a home in Israel.

When Israel "resettles" Palestinians in Gaza (interesting concept), they do it by bulldozing the homes they want them out of.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by solarpunk »

civilitty wrote: post #132
solarpunk wrote: post #61

how does Israel give evacuation warnings if Palestinian telcos are offline?

Roof knocking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking

that doesn't sound like a well established way to communicate "leave this shelter".

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by bhouston »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #101
bhouston wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Word on the street is Hamas is actively preventing people from evacuating. The majority of Palestinians from the north have evacuated to the south. So if they tried it was completely ineffective.

What's Israel doing to the south? Oh, right, they're bombing it.

They are but not the same extent. Not that this makes it better.
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