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Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by bananapub »

hbn wrote: post #117
bananapub wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish I wasn't tied to Gmail because it means I can't really use any other clients if I want instant notifications. what? it's supported IMAP IDLE for longer than some of the posters in HN have been alive. > I'd kinda hope regulators would step in on something like that for a case like Gmail where they're practically the default email provider for most people. ... you chose to use some random company's domain for…

Look - I don't know much about email standards but I know if I try to use Gmail on the Apple Mail client it doesn't give me notifications. Everyone I've talked to has the same issue, they get a dumping of notifications once per week with every email they got in the past 7 days. No solutions to be found online either, if you have one I'd be more than happy to hear it. > ... you chose to use some random company's domai…

I'm not having a dig at you for being young, I'm explaining it's not a Gmail problem. I had to move on from my lycos.com email address too but that later you do it the harder it is.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by jacquesm »

Marsymars wrote: post #97
jacquesm wrote: post #38

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On bleeding edge hardware: possibly. On anything that is a couple of years old Linux runs out of the box, usually is rock solid. It's a bit less flashy and in your face though, but I personally prefer that.

> On anything that is a couple of years old Linux runs out of the box YMMV. Just yesterday, I discovered that the Debian installer doesn't include support for UFS drives, which have been available in laptops for 3+ years now. (Explaining to my wife why I was returning the laptop I'd just bought wouldn't have been a great endorsement for "Linux runs out of the box".) Coincidental bug report from mail list last week: h…

Interesting, UFS probably means something different to me than it means to you, for me it spells Unix File System, the bug report lists it as some hardware variation that I'd never even heard of today.

Did you see the follow up comments by the way? Compared to trying to get support from a commercial vendor the FOSS world never ceases to amaze me with the degree of effort people are willing to make to get other people on the way again.

So, let's strike 'a couple of years old' and add 'anything mainstream that is a couple of years old'. We're going to end up with a very long definition if we have to add all of the possible exceptions but I suspect there are more devices capable of running Linux by now than there are of running Windows!

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by jszymborski »

IshKebab wrote: post #112
jszymborski wrote: post #25

When I switched to Linux in university, it was as an idle curiosity and the pleasure of knowing my OS was FOSS. I knew I was sacrificing a bit of practicality, but like the person that works on their vintage motorcycle in the garage, the hassle was part of the fun. I would often run Windows on a second machine or at work though, I felt equally productive in both Linux and Windows. Fast-forward a decade and the Linux…

I'm not sure how much the Linux situation has improved really. I used to use Linux in the early 2000s when I was a student and had time to burn. Quickly switched back to Windows/Mac when I got a job and needed stuff to "just work". However recently I started working for a company that provides Linux laptops. I was curious how much things had improved in 20 years. My conclusion is: not much. Here are some of the issue…

I've had many of these things happen to me barring the Gnome and Wayland bugs since I don't use them.

I still would hardly say that not much has changed, nor that the Desktop experience on many popular distros is bad.

It's also important to note that while the UX problems between Windows and Linux aren't the same in number and nature, the root of these problems are relevant imho.

With Linux distros, it's just lack of resources. They can address them with enough man hours.

With Windows, many of the user-hostile aspects of the UX are part of the product map, and I don't anticipate that getting any better.

I'm long on Linux on the desktop, which I know is a punch-line, but it's working for plenty of people of various technical stripes.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by surgical_fire »

IshKebab wrote: post #112
jszymborski wrote: post #25

When I switched to Linux in university, it was as an idle curiosity and the pleasure of knowing my OS was FOSS. I knew I was sacrificing a bit of practicality, but like the person that works on their vintage motorcycle in the garage, the hassle was part of the fun. I would often run Windows on a second machine or at work though, I felt equally productive in both Linux and Windows. Fast-forward a decade and the Linux…

I'm not sure how much the Linux situation has improved really. I used to use Linux in the early 2000s when I was a student and had time to burn. Quickly switched back to Windows/Mac when I got a job and needed stuff to "just work". However recently I started working for a company that provides Linux laptops. I was curious how much things had improved in 20 years. My conclusion is: not much. Here are some of the issue…

I can't comment on your experience, but I can describe mine.

Back in 2003 I tried to install a Linux distro on my personal machine (Mandrake if memory serves) and it was an atrocious experience. Couldn't even get my mouse to work.

Sometime around 2015 I decided to give it a second chance. I worked for a company where we could work on Linux machines and I decided to give it ago. Ubuntu this time around. I had a pleasant experience, for development it proved to be a solid option, but I couldn't switch my personal machine to Linux because I would lose access to my gaming library.

Earlier this year I decided to give another go. Replaced Windows with Linux Mint, and couldn't be happier. It's an absolute joy to use, and thanks to Proton, I can play the vast majority of my PC games there. Most work right off the bat through Steam or Lutris. Some required minor tinkering.

I had none the issues you described.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by bombcar »

hbn wrote: post #117
bananapub wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish I wasn't tied to Gmail because it means I can't really use any other clients if I want instant notifications. what? it's supported IMAP IDLE for longer than some of the posters in HN have been alive. > I'd kinda hope regulators would step in on something like that for a case like Gmail where they're practically the default email provider for most people. ... you chose to use some random company's domain for…

Look - I don't know much about email standards but I know if I try to use Gmail on the Apple Mail client it doesn't give me notifications. Everyone I've talked to has the same issue, they get a dumping of notifications once per week with every email they got in the past 7 days. No solutions to be found online either, if you have one I'd be more than happy to hear it. > ... you chose to use some random company's domai…

I don't know what I'm doing differently, but I have my domain's email hosted on Google Apps and it notifies just fine.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by aaplok »

9dev wrote: post #86
ceuk wrote: post #41

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> To fix them, you need to run some arcane commands At least you can fix them. Also, sorry can't help the cheap shot: how is typing "arcane commands" any different than clicking on "gnostic glyphs"? Anything can sound complex if you want it to :) I'm not disputing your experiences but it's so surprising to me. I exclusively use Linux on the desktop on numerous devices, some of which seem like prime candidates for the…

Well, a major difference is that you can discover a GUI and find solutions organically, while the shell is pretty useless without prior knowledge. Even as an experienced user, you need to know to put research into those issues.

I usually struggle with GUIs and I find the concept of discoverability awful. Having to randomly click through tons of menus until you discover the right place is frustrating. I use MS Word maybe twice a month, and every time I go through that ritual of clicking through several tabs just to be able to discover how to save a file. If I used it more often I certainly would remember, but then it's no longer about discovering.

Oh and if you're lucky you have the option to hover for a second to find what the icons mean through a tooltip. Having to do that with every icon until you find the right one is not pleasant.

I just find typing "help" or "man" a lot more intuitive than the random clicking on icons.

I'm sure that I'm a rare specimen and most people would prefer clicking to reading, but personally I find discoverability a bad user experience.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by Pannoniae »

IshKebab wrote: post #112
jszymborski wrote: post #25

When I switched to Linux in university, it was as an idle curiosity and the pleasure of knowing my OS was FOSS. I knew I was sacrificing a bit of practicality, but like the person that works on their vintage motorcycle in the garage, the hassle was part of the fun. I would often run Windows on a second machine or at work though, I felt equally productive in both Linux and Windows. Fast-forward a decade and the Linux…

I'm not sure how much the Linux situation has improved really. I used to use Linux in the early 2000s when I was a student and had time to burn. Quickly switched back to Windows/Mac when I got a job and needed stuff to "just work". However recently I started working for a company that provides Linux laptops. I was curious how much things had improved in 20 years. My conclusion is: not much. Here are some of the issue…

Note that most of those are GNOME issues. GNOME is hilariously bad. Most of your issues are simply not a problem in other desktop environments:)

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

jrockway wrote: post #89
crop_rotation wrote: post #56

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Because it prints money without much effort.

Only if it remains tolerable, though. I think they're playing around with something pretty risky; they don't integrate with any mobile devices, they don't have a web browser that any sites support, etc. and thus there is not much to keep users from switching away. They're objectively no better than Apple for most use cases, except for games and very niche software. It's a very different world than the late 90s, when…

>Mobile games are the most accessible, and again Microsoft is not in any position to get revenue from that trend.

Have you been living under a rock that you missed Microsoft's acquisition of Activision-Blizzard, owners of Candy Crush, one of the most popular mobile games?

Microsoft isn't stupid, it knows the future revenue makers are software subscription services and IP and not hardware, which is why it's buying up all the IP it can and building a SW service ecosystem around the likes of Azure and ChatGPT based copilots.

Re: Windows 11's default mail client will show ads starting 2024

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Post by jrockway »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #129
jrockway wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if it remains tolerable, though. I think they're playing around with something pretty risky; they don't integrate with any mobile devices, they don't have a web browser that any sites support, etc. and thus there is not much to keep users from switching away. They're objectively no better than Apple for most use cases, except for games and very niche software. It's a very different world than the late 90s, when…

>Mobile games are the most accessible, and again Microsoft is not in any position to get revenue from that trend. Have you been living under a rock that you missed Microsoft's acquisition of Activision-Blizzard, owners of Candy Crush, one of the most popular mobile games? Microsoft isn't stupid, it knows the future revenue makers are software subscription services and IP and not hardware, which is why it's buying up…

I'm aware that Microsoft bought Activision-Blizzard. All the kids are playing Genshin Impact and Honkai Star Rail. Microsoft gets 0% of their revenue.
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