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Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by jtbayly »

genewitch wrote: post #157
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #90

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> Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto. Farmers love glyphosate because it kills weeds very effectively. It’s hard to exaggerate how much of a neat thing glyphosate was considered in the agricultural world when it appeared. That’s the reason it is used. Now, the reason it is produced and sold is that it is profitable for Monsanto, and regulation hasn’t stopped Monsanto.

This sounds great, except it's been proven the glyphosate is not the ingredient that kills the most weeds, the "inert" ingredients when applied alone are vastly more effective. I always think it's funny when glyphosate apologists come out in droves to defend their favorite poison manufacturer. Maybe they actually drank the stuff when Bayer/Monsanto said it was safe to drink?

No way. Show me the proof. If it’s the inert ingredients, why don’t they kill the GMO corn and beans, too?

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Post by jtbayly »

stevenwoo wrote: post #143
nickff wrote: post #95

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I was not aware of this story, but found that there is a Wikipedia page on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood... I don't think it's quite as clear as you put it, and Bayer was by no means the worst offender in this regard. Other related scandals are linked to at the bottom of the Wikipedia page, and the Canadian Red Cross (for example) seems to have behaved even more negligently.

One would hope a company (Bayer) that arose out of history of using slave labor, medical experimentation and providing cyanide gas during the holocaust would be a little better corporate citizen than not quite as bad as the other guys.

Not quite as bad as the Red Cross? I’d take that as a commendation any day of the week.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

bluGill wrote: post #202
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #43

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that would be an insane last resort, because it would just kill the grass. you'd be better off at that point to just rototil it in and start over

Rototill is much worse for the environment. You have all the CO2 released from the effort. Plus bare ground that will erode away in wind or rain. Then you have all the organic matter in the soil you destory. Or a little round up and plant grass seed over the top. Much less CO2, and the soil and organic matter stay in place.

Maybe, sure?

I have a growers pesticide applicators license and a big jug of glyphosate in the barn. But I don't use it for that kind of thing because it drifts and damages the perennial plants I care about, and I just feel ... ehh.... about it. And if I grow stuff for market, it's good for pricing and marketing to be able to say it wasn't sprayed.

I have a rototiller for the tractor and I use it sparingly to break ground and then amend with manure and other organic matter, then cover in straw or wood chip. I get a lot of weeds (mostly crab grass and goosefoot), but that's just kind of how it is.

I have another herbicide which targets only grasses, and I use that here and there to try to control crab grass, but not for food plots.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

sokoloff wrote: post #67
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #43

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that would be an insane last resort, because it would just kill the grass. you'd be better off at that point to just rototil it in and start over

It's commonly used in a renovation situation: fertilize and water well in early August to get everything growing, then hit it with two applications of glyphosate spaced about 2 weeks apart to kill everything, then scalp it as low as you reasonably can and seed with quality seed of whatever variety/varieties of grass you want to grow. If you believe glyphosate is relatively harmless (as compared to a series of 6-10 ap…

Rototilling to start over just surfaces a bunch of latent weed seeds

This is true but I get the impression that most urban lots are just using rolls of sod anyways.

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Post by mandmandam »

c23gooey wrote: post #244
mandmandam wrote: post #232

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It fucks up ecosystems. It lingers on our food. It bonds with abundant minerals like calcium and magnesium and does unexpected shit. It comes in Roundup with a cocktail of chemicals that increase bioavailability and toxicity. It has links to chronic kidney disease and cancer. That's scientists saying all this; not just me, and not just "greedy lawyers" as you claimed elsewhere. If this fits your definition of safe, y…

> That's scientists saying all this; Please link to the science, then we can form our own judgement

I'm not your research assistant, and this isn't some weird or obscure claim that I'm making.

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Post by mandmandam »

c23gooey wrote: post #245
mandmandam wrote: post #230

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Your linked comment is a good example of something I'd perceive as either written by a shill, or someone convinced by shilling. You say: > All of the science still says glyphosate is safe in the concentrations we encounter it in. What makes you qualified to say that? "Skimming a few papers"? The kindest thing I could say about that is that it's a dangerous oversimplification, on a thread where Monsanto have been caug…

How do we know you're not a shill for some competing company with a competing product? It's all just pointless name calling.

If you'd read any of my comments you'd see that there are scientists and institutions with very little to gain coming out against cancer links and kdney disease connections. You could even have simply read the linked OP.

There are lives at stake, and you're dismissing all the research that's a mere Google search away as name-calling - it's abhorrent.

Thanks for the handy example of bad faith sea-lioning though - I had actually forgotten to add that to the list of astroturfing strategies.

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Post by wlonkly »

profsummergig wrote: post #89
algoatecorn wrote: post #35

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Has anyone here tried the bespoke home-made weed-icide made with vinegar + salt + dish-soap? If yes, was it effective? A cursory google search suggests the internet is divided on this.

Roundup even sells an "Advanced" formula which is essentially vinegar, salt and a surfactant!

I've used it, it successfully kills what it touches but it doesn't kill the roots.

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Post by [deleted] »

burke wrote: post #53
hammock wrote: post #14

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Is fluoride in drinking water toxic? I thought they added it on purpose to help our teeth or something

Fluoride in drinking water is a kind of truly marginal level of harm that’s perfectly designed to trigger paranoid libertarians. A tiny amount of fluoride is helpful for bones and especially teeth. Fluoridated toothpaste covers this need perfectly, but many people don’t use it. Fluoride in drinking water covers this need also but (arguably) brings along small risks of symptoms of slight excess fluoride consumption. T…

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Post by positr0n »

orwin wrote: post #178
m00x wrote: post #167

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Farms do.

No. It's a weedkiller. Putting it ON the fruits would be expensive and useless. In conventional/industrial agriculture, its used after harvest and before seeding. In intelligent agriculture , it's used a day before seeding.

Round up or other herbicides are commonly used to uniformly kill and dry out mature wheat, corn, and other grains so harvesting and processing is easier.

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Post by improv »

namuol wrote: post #179
improv wrote: post #160

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Indeed, there are many who make so much noise made about how unsustainable and environmentally toxic industrial cattle farming is, but then it's crickets when it comes to how unsustainable and environmentally toxic industrial agriculture is.

This could well be a regional thing, but where I’m from most who decry industrial cattle farming do so along with industrial agriculture. The thinking is that a disproportionate amount of industrial agriculture is done in support of cattle farming. Less industrial cattle farming means less industrial agriculture.

>The thinking is that a disproportionate amount of industrial agriculture is done in support of cattle farming

Why is that the thinking?

I've read that 86% of cattle feed is byproducts from industrial agriculture that is inedible to humans.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sacredcow.info/blog/qz6pi6c...

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