Earlier quoted context omitted.
Glyphosate is well studied and affects cell paths that don't exist in humans.
Would you drink it?
You wouldn't drink hypersaline water either, but that doesn't mean salt is bad for you.
Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
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Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease
#242Let's just take a pause and consider some key information: -This is an association study -If we CTLR+F "cause", "causing", "causal", etc, the only mention of causation is with extremely high levels of flouride and another mention with extremely high levels of glyphosate and zebrafish Now let's zoom way out, and consider the use of glyphosate in general. If you plot grain yields over time compared to herbicide use ove…
Your argument falls apart when you realise that grains are not in any way shape or form part of a proper human diet.
All those bellies that are filled with grains may feel full and therefore won't likely cause much trouble for the elites, but they are really just slowly rotting away and dying (and generating even more income streams for big pharma, owned by the... elites).
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#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto. Farmers love glyphosate because it kills weeds very effectively. It’s hard to exaggerate how much of a neat thing glyphosate was considered in the agricultural world when it appeared. That’s the reason it is used. Now, the reason it is produced and sold is that it is profitable for Monsanto, and regulation hasn’t stopped Monsanto.
Salt and vinegar can do the same. Chemically-intensive pollution and contamination of the food supply, air, soil, and water is a choice. But it's not a Hobson's choice. Go organic.
I'd like to learn more about this.
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#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You'll never guess what people who sold lead and asbestos used to say about lead and asbestos. Also see the denials of PFAS dangers. And fracking. And lobotomies, thalidomide, tobacco, mercury, etc etc. It's not about who said it was safe. It's about who proved it wasn't. Who proved glyphosate wasn't safe?
It fucks up ecosystems. It lingers on our food. It bonds with abundant minerals like calcium and magnesium and does unexpected shit. It comes in Roundup with a cocktail of chemicals that increase bioavailability and toxicity. It has links to chronic kidney disease and cancer. That's scientists saying all this; not just me, and not just "greedy lawyers" as you claimed elsewhere. If this fits your definition of safe, y…
> That's scientists saying all this;
Please link to the science, then we can form our own judgement
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think we're talking past each other a bit. In this moment I'm not trying to persuade you of anything about glyphosate though I obviously disagree with you, just saying that there are plenty of us out here who do argue in good faith and asking you to consider that what may look like astroturfing is just honestly held opinions by people who disagree with you. In this case, I read the article, the paper, skimmed a cou…
Your linked comment is a good example of something I'd perceive as either written by a shill, or someone convinced by shilling. You say: > All of the science still says glyphosate is safe in the concentrations we encounter it in. What makes you qualified to say that? "Skimming a few papers"? The kindest thing I could say about that is that it's a dangerous oversimplification, on a thread where Monsanto have been caug…
How do we know you're not a shill for some competing company with a competing product?
It's all just pointless name calling.
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#246Glyphosate is being found in US drinking water too: - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5486281/ - https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/environment/risk/... The common message is Glyphosate has a very short (ish) half life in soil. What happens when it enters the water table first?
Linked to Parkinsons and cancer. And it's still for sale next to fertilizer in the home box store so you can spray your yard and poison your family.
Are you eating dandelions out of your yard or something?
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#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm confused. I thought that reproducing a study was pretty much doing a peer review?
That is the way it was sold but peer review fraud is a major problem.
Do you have a peer reviewed source on that? Major usually implies 50%+ . Are you saying that 50%+ of the peer reviewed scientific papers out there bogus and fraudulent?
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#248> But when glyphosate encounters certain trace metal ions that make water hard—like magnesium and calcium—glyphosate-metal ion complexes can form. Those complexes can persist up to seven years in water and 22 years in soil. Isn't basically all water outside hard water? How did public health agencies miss this?
It's even worse than that. Those are the half-lives. From the paper:
"These glyphosate-metal complexes
increase the half-life of the herbicide dramatically, from 90
days to 7 years in water and 47 days to 22 years in soil."
On the plus side, things should get better soon: "In 2012, Sri Lanka imported >5 million kg of glyphosate until a ban was imposed since 2014."
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#249This is not a very convincing connection. All they established is that glyphosate is hanging around in water wells longer than expected. There was no causal connection found, no dose-response, nothing. They didn't even test water sources in regions without the CKDu epidemic to falsify the hypothesis.
They had reason to suspect glyphosate due to previous studies. Ex: https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/6/3278
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#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the problem was they marketed it as practically nontoxic to humans, Has their marketing stance changed? Or does Glyphosate continue to be marketed as a relatively safe solution? Roundup is still for sale at Home Depot, they sell massive quantities of it every day .
The US lacks effective regulation and the precautionary principle with respect to chemical safety, agriculture, and food safety. Food safety in the US is mostly regulated by the FDA but it is grossly underfunded, understaffed, aspirational, and ultimately laughable. Largely the only ways consumers can protect themselves is by not buying toxic chemicals and avoiding non-organic foods because there is systemic pollutio…
This is just FUD.
Making sweeping statements like “The US lacks effective regulation and the precautionary principle with respect to chemical safety, agriculture, and food safety.” tells me nothing other than your opinion.