Once in a while I have to travel to one of the other districts of the city I live in, and I'm reminded that I happen to live in the district which once had tram lines, and you can really tell. My friend moved his young family further out, rationalising that young kids need more outdoor space (their new house is physically smaller, but in an area with woodland) and he didn't like his old neighbourhood (students, drug…
Lol "puffin crossing" - I like the concept, here's the link for us non-uk people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffin_crossing
Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
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Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#62As much as the comments from complaining drivers are frustrating, it reveals that the problem here is relying on speed limits and not street design. If you want drivers to go 20mph, you need to design the street so going any faster feels uncomfortable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bglWCuCMSWc discuses this. Also, I notice that most of those drivers complaining don't address what it's like to have a small child who…
[0] which needs to be supported by e.g. separated bike lanes, well marked and signed x-walks, employment of limited access roads vs. stroads, enforcement, etc.
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
>inb4 pitchfork raising amongst the anti-car rabble I don't know why you think anti-car people would raise pitchforks at that. In fact this was my criticism of the proposal when I lived in Wales; there seemed to be little attempt to alter the street environments to match the lower limits. I want effective 20 mph zones and that can't happen just by changing a few speed limit signs. My prediction was that it would back…
Because for some of them, the right speed limit is 0 kmh/mph aka "total car death".
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#64I find it amusing how they did not interview one single person who thought he or she might just choose a different way of transportation, instead of driving a car, unless absolutely necessary. I used to commute in the north between two mid-sized cities, and any time I checked taking the car instead of the combined bike+rail travel would not have been faster, only much more inconvenient and more expensive (parking cos…
Said no sane person ever.
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It’s quite annoying having cameras everywhere frankly. Why?
Because drivers should be trusted to drive to the conditions. Those that speed stupidly will do so regardless of cameras (they will just slow down when they see one which actually makes things more dangerous) and those that drive to the conditions will speed when they believe it’s safe to do so and won’t speed when it’s not safe to do so, which means cameras are actually making driving less safe because they need to…
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#66Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#67UK over the years has been destroying something immensely valuable that you can't get back quickly. For example, there are barely any speed cameras on local roads in the UK (compared to other European countries) and yet almost everyone drives under the limit. It's the same with police not needing guns. I think people just don't understand how valuable (and unusual) this is. Edit: As has been pointed out to me, there…
As a UK resident who spends a lot of time in France and Italy this statement really surprised me, and really isn't my experience. I had to read it twice as I assumed you meant the opposite
I recently drove from Brighton to Glasgow vis Nottingham. I'd easily passed through 10 before I reached the M25 south of London, including one on the street I lived on. The M25 itself easily had 10 possibly way more. The M1 must have had another 10 or so. I passed through about 5 or so driving through Nottingham. Similarly there about 5 before I hit the A1 which now has dozens. There were 3 or 4 on the A66 and even the M74 and M8 have cameras now. I keep Apple Maps on the whole journey even though I don't need it, specifically to beep and warn me when I'm approaching one.
I can't recall seeing cameras in France, but I'm sure they are there somewhere, plus I rarely drive through the large cities. I've never seen one in Italy, but maybe I don't know what they look like and I tend to drive the same routes. I have seen the police at the side of the road with a handheld radar.
Are we maybe driving different parts of Europe?
A quick check (after writing most of this) gave me this graph which, as a non-member, I can't see the sources for, but looks believable.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201490/speed-cameras-pe...
Which, ignoring Russia, has Italy #1 and the UK #2. So, clearly, I'm not driving the parts of Italy with lots of cameras, but the UK has more cameras than most European countries.
> yet almost everyone drives under the limit
Is also something I haven't observed. We have 'boy racers' shooting up and down our street, the M25 has giant expensive cars aggressively pulling up behind you and flashing their lights and driving through speed camera without a care (or weaving through traffic by undertaking). The right-hand lane of most motorways is people driving 90-100 mph when they can. My experience is that it's congestion, not British good manners that keep people under the speed limit. On the M11 which, last I checked, was still camera free, the fast lane was people driving at 100mph. The 6 lanes on the A1(M) between Huntington and Peterborough was even faster. I recently got an early-morning Taxi from Brighton to Heathrow, and the taxi driver drove at 125mph between cameras.
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It’s quite annoying having cameras everywhere frankly. Why?
Because drivers should be trusted to drive to the conditions. Those that speed stupidly will do so regardless of cameras (they will just slow down when they see one which actually makes things more dangerous) and those that drive to the conditions will speed when they believe it’s safe to do so and won’t speed when it’s not safe to do so, which means cameras are actually making driving less safe because they need to…
Further to that, putting signage on a lot of these rural areas isnt economically viable for a road that has very little thoroughfare and associated accidents. That said, having 60 everywhere and trusting drivers sound insane
[0] https://www.youthforroadsafety.org/news-blog/news-blog-item/...
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It’s quite annoying having cameras everywhere frankly. Why?
I suspect they mean the number of CCTV cameras in the UK rather than road safety cameras specifically. If you are concerned about the erosion of privacy in public spaces then that would be a valid point.
Sadly there is a significant part that is.
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#70UK over the years has been destroying something immensely valuable that you can't get back quickly. For example, there are barely any speed cameras on local roads in the UK (compared to other European countries) and yet almost everyone drives under the limit. It's the same with police not needing guns. I think people just don't understand how valuable (and unusual) this is. Edit: As has been pointed out to me, there…
Can you elaborate how this is being destroyed? Not sure if you mean Brexit, other law changes, or this one in particular.
I wonder what the impact of this policing by consensus was. Did the UK spend a lower percentage of GDP on policing than peer nations ? I don't think they have lower crime numbers. Surely not in London.