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Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
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Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#12Should change the name of the place to "whales", then the whole world would join in trying to save them all. (No point in blubbering about it, there's strength in numbers!)
> I went on a road trip a month on from the controversial change... with an open mind.
It's not possible to have an open mind about it. If the law is based on large-number population statistics, an individual driving around talking to people will have zero basis to question the statistics. If the judgement is to be based on personal preferences, well then you don't have an open mind, you have your mind.
There's nothing wrong with voting on policy based on personal opinion and preferences, but why tell me you have an open mind, as if other people don't?
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#13UK over the years has been destroying something immensely valuable that you can't get back quickly. For example, there are barely any speed cameras on local roads in the UK (compared to other European countries) and yet almost everyone drives under the limit. It's the same with police not needing guns. I think people just don't understand how valuable (and unusual) this is. Edit: As has been pointed out to me, there…
Can you elaborate how this is being destroyed? Not sure if you mean Brexit, other law changes, or this one in particular.
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#14As much as the comments from complaining drivers are frustrating, it reveals that the problem here is relying on speed limits and not street design. If you want drivers to go 20mph, you need to design the street so going any faster feels uncomfortable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bglWCuCMSWc discuses this.
Also, I notice that most of those drivers complaining don't address what it's like to have a small child who's a runner and is always trying to get loose of your grip and run in to the street.
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#15In an nearby area where they have introduced 20mph for many streets the police have said that they have very low resources to properly enforce the limit and instead will be enforced "voluntarily". The council actually wanted more streets as 20mph but the police said that they really couldn't support the larger area effectively blocking it!
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#16UK over the years has been destroying something immensely valuable that you can't get back quickly. For example, there are barely any speed cameras on local roads in the UK (compared to other European countries) and yet almost everyone drives under the limit. It's the same with police not needing guns. I think people just don't understand how valuable (and unusual) this is. Edit: As has been pointed out to me, there…
Thats factually incorrect. The uk has the third largest number of speed cameras in europe, below only russia and italy. It’s quite annoying having cameras everywhere frankly.
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#17UK over the years has been destroying something immensely valuable that you can't get back quickly. For example, there are barely any speed cameras on local roads in the UK (compared to other European countries) and yet almost everyone drives under the limit. It's the same with police not needing guns. I think people just don't understand how valuable (and unusual) this is. Edit: As has been pointed out to me, there…
Thats factually incorrect. The uk has the third largest number of speed cameras in europe, below only russia and italy. It’s quite annoying having cameras everywhere frankly.
> It’s quite annoying having cameras everywhere frankly.
Why?
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#18The "faster to bike" is a sign that may be driving isn't necessary after all. This article is kind of silly, and it's even worse seeing it from the BBC. I remember as a young person thr BBC felt more impartial than US news orgs but this article reads like a "news" piece from a sinclair owned station ranting about bikes and blacks.
It quotes people's opionions and experiences from both sides so it's impartial. Some of the quotes are actually pretty funny, particularly "proper tailback". There's certainly no ranting and no one critising cycling or minorities. Are you sure you're not projecting your general opinions of the BBC onto this piece?
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#19Once in a while I have to travel to one of the other districts of the city I live in, and I'm reminded that I happen to live in the district which once had tram lines, and you can really tell. My friend moved his young family further out, rationalising that young kids need more outdoor space (their new house is physically smaller, but in an area with woodland) and he didn't like his old neighbourhood (students, drug addicts), but every time I visit the first thing I have to do is risk my life, crossing a busy road with no pedestrian crossings, because everybody there (including them) drives everywhere.
For a while the nice people I buy pizza from owned a restaurant (they began, and now continue, as a food truck, wood burning oven inside a converted vehicle) and it too was in a district that was converted to car-focused urban living in the 1970s or so. That time I at least discovered an intersection with a crossing, albeit low priority (ie arrive, press button, wait 2-3 minutes to cross) and their restaurant faced the river so that's quiet.
I tend to think of the whole city as being like where I live -- rat runs diverted to a few arteries, heavy use of mandatory (Zebra or sometimes Puffin) crossings with moderate urgency for pedestrians or where I work (the city refused permission to close the road through our university, but authorised speed bumps and four very high urgency Puffins, so in effect it's faster to drive around it even though the road exists straight through it) -- but that's actually not true which is sad. I know where our existing MP lives, it's near me, I wonder where the next one (well, the candidate from the same party who will stand next time) lives ?
Re: Wales' 20mph speed limit: How has the first month gone?
#20In New Zealand the government has been working to drop many urban speed limits to 30kmh or 40kmh. Luckily a new government has just been elected who will reverse many of these reductions.