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September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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And how exactly would introducing communism avert climate disaster? How did the environment fare in Soviet. Which country is the largest CO2 emitter in the world? Do you even consider what you're writing before you post it?

The person that you replied to already wrote that “It’s not an observation about communism-vs-capitalism”.

Yes, of course. Abolishing property rights is not communism this time around.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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post #49

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the US can barely manage to pass its annual budget, I'm not hopeful

A large portion of the US populace wants to maintain/increase fossil fuel usage just to stick it to their perceived enemies. Also not hopeful.

That, plus not being willing to pay for infrastructure.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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You are delusional. That could happen in a single event, let alone "ever" as your comment is implying.

The World Meteorological Organization estimates that in the 50 years from 1970 to 2019, deaths from climate dropped to one-third[0]. That's not one-third the rate; that's one-third of the absolute number of deaths, even as the world population more than doubled in that time period and atmospheric CO2 went from ~325ppm to ~410ppm. In my opinion, this reduction in deaths is mostly due to the increasing ability of the d…

It is fully possible that we have accumulated better technology while still pushing the climate to exponentially more dangerous states.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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post #328

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>the resolution of time in archaeological records are generally not this granular, and a lot of short-term trends are being smoothed. We have precise records from antarctic core samples that can say with near absolute certainty what our climate looked like for hundreds of thousands of years. I won't argue any further about basic chemistry. >very likely that the younger dryas had a much sharper shift in temperature. .…

> Wrong. We have precise records from antarctic core samples that can say with near absolute certainty what our climate looked like for hundreds of thousands of years. Cool story, bro. The antarctic ice cores contain valuable information, but they do definitely not tell a complete story of neither temperatures, nor anything else across the whole globe on a granular time scale. > ...which was a catastrophic event for…

A fascinating look into the mind of a Joe Rogan listener ITT.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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> Two main factors are at play in driving temperatures to such extremes: their inexorable increase from burning fossil fuels and an El Niño event that is shaping up to be a strong one. It would be quite educational to attribute in more detail the impact of these two factors. The degree of "El Nino" influence is presumably known, and if its strength is not related with global warming in complicated and unknown ways it…

I would like to see solar activity included in the discussion as well. But anytime I bring it up I'm called a climate denialist. But we're seeing auroras very far south and those days it's no issue mentioning the sun is currently in an active phase. Why is that detail always omitted when it comes to global warming, sorry climate change?

I don't understand. Do you think there is scientific doubt about the greenhouse effect, or that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, or that for hundreds of thousands of years CO2 concentrations have correlated with average temperature? There isn't any doubt about the problems of greenhouse gases, and there isn't anything we can do about the sun's activity other than use it as an excuse to do nothing "until we understand".

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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> Two main factors are at play in driving temperatures to such extremes: their inexorable increase from burning fossil fuels and an El Niño event that is shaping up to be a strong one. It would be quite educational to attribute in more detail the impact of these two factors. The degree of "El Nino" influence is presumably known, and if its strength is not related with global warming in complicated and unknown ways it…

> population that drifts into panic and depression

vs

> feeling skeptical for legitimate reasons

I think it's just your bias showing. This is 2023, people who are "skeptical" of the climate change aren't there for legitimate reasons. And frankly I'm less and less convinced that we need to engage these people.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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Can someone help me understand why when there’s a record cold month, there’s a convo like this > non-believer: “see global warming doesn’t exist” > believer: “you can’t measure this on a monthly scale, it’s too slow of a process” But often when the case is reversed, it’s used as evidence of global warming? I know global warming is real and I am a firm believer in it but this duality seems to cause a lot of issues whe…

If it makes you feel any better, this September may have been the hottest of the past 100 years, but it will probably be the coldest of the next 100 years.

Like the old Russian proverb. Today is an average day: worse than yesterday, but better than tomorrow.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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Because the correct answer from the believer is "it's called climate change not global warming and it's expected to cause new extremes in both directions"

Well, sort of. It's still global warming, it just makes things weird enough that you'll see local extrema in either direction. Globally though, we're only seeing extremes in one direction.

Sure yeah, my point is just that the sample "conversation" that OP did is silly and wrong.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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post #254

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> Asking people to have less, experience less, and do less isn’t an argument that can ever win. Yes and no. I agree that if your approach is to ask people to do this, you aren't going to win the argument. But instead you can reframe the argument. Does that $70,000 truck that you have to make payments on while you do back-breaking or soul-crushing work to afford it really make you happy? Do you really get use out of t…

The people that I know with those $70K trucks seem to really enjoy them and get a lot of use out of them. Especially for towing trailers they work really well. If they didn't buy those trucks I don't think they would work any less. They would just spend the money on something else.

Yea same with private planes and stuff like that.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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> Asking people to have less, experience less, and do less isn’t an argument that can ever win. Yes and no. I agree that if your approach is to ask people to do this, you aren't going to win the argument. But instead you can reframe the argument. Does that $70,000 truck that you have to make payments on while you do back-breaking or soul-crushing work to afford it really make you happy? Do you really get use out of t…

>> Does that $70,000 truck that you have to make payments on while you do back-breaking or soul-crushing work to afford it really make you happy? Cars, apart from their direct purpose, also serve as status symbol. This might justify the investment.

You can justify anything. I need a new iPhone every year. Why? Direct purpose and status symbol. I also need my home heated and cooled to exactly 70 degrees each year because it helps me be more comfortable while working from home. I also need to drive a new electric truck for common errands like going to the store to buy a bottle of wine from California or my asparagus from Argentina. All justifiable investments in my eyes.
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