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September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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This is just so unbelievably sad. How should one react to their powerlessness as an individual in the face of this looming catastrophe?

Our power grid is naturally getting more energy efficient and the human population will hopefully start to decline soon.

The population is not predicted to decline until after it peaks at 10.4b in 2087. This is the WPP "Medium" model which has slightly underpredicted population growth in the past few years.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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post #90

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I think some time in the next decade there will be a “perfect storm” heat wave combined with a power failure, and millions will die in days. This will jerk the Overton window and popular sentiment in an unpredictable direction, and no one knows what the world will look like on the other side of that.

Where in the world would this event take place? In the hottest parts of the US the temperature gets to 46ºC regularly during the summer and people have lived there for hundreds of years. Do people die of heat stoke? Sure, at a rate of hundreds per year. Elsewhere in the world there are places where people love in the same heat with less means of cooking and less access to water. Millions of people may have to adapt.…

The others have pointed out the humidity, dry heat doesn’t just kill hundreds. The 2003 heat wave likely killed 70000 people in Europe. You know, a developed country. https://www.france24.com/en/environment/20230717-parisians-a...

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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post #54

This is just so unbelievably sad. How should one react to their powerlessness as an individual in the face of this looming catastrophe?

Our power grid is naturally getting more energy efficient and the human population will hopefully start to decline soon.

The global population will continue to rise past 2050, long past the point it could have ever helped anything to do with global warming.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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I don’t believe it’s possible to avoid anything anymore, Merely the scale will be determined at best. It’s not just going to be 800 million refugees. I suspect it’s going to be actual deaths in that range. And with no real intervention as is the case now, likely in the billions. Given how the whole world handled the pandemic I have no confidence it’ll unfurl any other way. A sobering thought that keeps me awake for a…

I think some time in the next decade there will be a “perfect storm” heat wave combined with a power failure, and millions will die in days. This will jerk the Overton window and popular sentiment in an unpredictable direction, and no one knows what the world will look like on the other side of that.

Millions died in the pandemic - didn’t do much to affect any opinion really. Just see in the replies to my comment here. Deniers out to prove desperately that this is all going just fine.

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> Two main factors are at play in driving temperatures to such extremes: their inexorable increase from burning fossil fuels and an El Niño event that is shaping up to be a strong one. It would be quite educational to attribute in more detail the impact of these two factors. The degree of "El Nino" influence is presumably known, and if its strength is not related with global warming in complicated and unknown ways it…

The debate over exact causes has always felt misguided to me. The planet is extremely complex, human impact on the planet is largely based on estimates and modeling, and at the end of the day an understanding of why it's getting hotter isn't itself a course correction. There are such obvious first steps we could take without a complete understanding of cause if we really cared. We could easily cut our use of fossil f…

There is a lot of things that seems easy, but in fact are impossible.

Sure, we could just stop using fossil fuels. But something like 50% of the global population would then be starving.

The cure that so often is prescribed is worse than the disease. And people don't seem to realize.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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What you're describing is the path to inevitable collapse. If people will never be able to give up convenience or growth then we really are doomed, tech advantages only slow down that runaway train. I don't actually think it's a fundamental blocker though. People sacraficed quite a bit at home during WWII to support the war effort, we could make similar sacrifices now if we saw our impact on the planet as a similarly…

WW2 only lasted 4-7 years depending on which country you were in. There was direct, visible progress along the way. As soon as the war was over, everything could go back to "normal" (at least for the winners). What you're asking for is a permanent reduction in standards of living. While that might be the right thing to do, it's going to be difficult to convince average people to vote for that. Many of them are barely…

I was listening to "The Regrettable Century" podcast's episode on degrowth recently, and they made a couple of good points here. The first point is that degrowth as reduction-in-consumption only is really going to affect the global rich; everyone else can afford to come up a bit to a new lower average. The second point is that there's more to quality of life than quantity of consumption. Nobody is talking about, e.g., making modern medicine go away. It means more trains and fewer cars, fewer Funko Pops and more live music. It means shorter working hours and no commutes. Fewer treats but more leisure. It's only a permanent reduction in "standards of living" if by that you mean "amount of consumption" rather than "quality of life".

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post #195

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The vast majority of people disagree with your subjective opinion. Most people dont want to sit in front of their computer their entire lives.

They can go and take a stroll in a park. There is more beauty in that than jostling in a crowd of tourists in front of the Mona Lisa.

Or play softball. Or listen to some live local music.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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post #205

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Because communist countries don’t pollute?

It’s not an observation about communism-vs-capitalism (or at least that’s not how I understand it): it’s about how we’re collectively as a society so fixated upon the inevitability of property rights and capitalism and return on investment and the primacy of profit that we cannot contemplate that we may need to abandon all these precepts in order to avert climatic disaster (or some other existential threat).

And how exactly would introducing communism avert climate disaster? How did the environment fare in Soviet. Which country is the largest CO2 emitter in the world? Do you even consider what you're writing before you post it?

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>Tomorrow the government could shut down the oil wells and say "nobody may emit any CO2 unless they pay $1000/ton of CO2 emitted.". And it would not change anything at planet scale, because on the other side of the world China is going to "pick up any slack" of CO2 generation we may not do. It shouldn't stop us from trying to increase efficiency, but panic and insane ideas of the sort of "no one can emit a ton of CO2…

> And it would not change anything at planet scale, because on the other side of the world China is going to "pick up any slack" of CO2 generation we may not do. We're still far better off decarbonising because (rest of the world CO2 + China CO2) > China CO2.

China's per capita carbon emissions are half those of the US (8 metric tons vs 16 metric tons, 2018 figures). Mote, beam, etc.

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post #138

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Energy capex is fungible, and nuclear energy is the most expensive. It is also carries the highest risk of cost overruns and underestimation of decommissioning costs. Why spend a penny on fission nuclear when renewables are cheaper, have shorter lead times by decades, and are vastly less financially risky?

Demand too much minerals including, because they’re so much more diffuse metals like copper High soil occupancy in competition with food crops and human activities Cannot provide guaranteed baseline of supply without storage (more minerals)

Perhaps the Chernobyl exclusion zone could be covered with photovoltaic panels.
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