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Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by happymellon »

scarface_74 wrote: post #86
webmobdev wrote: post #84

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> * How will it make my everyday experience better as an Apple customer without the integration of software and hardware between my Mac, iPads Watch, Airpods and phone?* "Open Standards" - There is no reason that your Mac or iPhone should only work with other Apple products through closed and proprietary standards. With adoption of open standards, all devices (irrespective of their manufacturer) can offer a decent in…

Yeah and that works out well with Android and Bluetooth.

Isn't that literally the point. Crappy drivers and no hardware documentation?

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

coldtea wrote: post #76
scarface_74 wrote: post #65

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There are so many flawed analogies here it’s hard to know where to start. How will it make my everyday experience better as an Apple customer without the integration of software and hardware between my Mac, iPads Watch, Airpods and phone? Windows laptops are worse in every vector than MacBooks. No consumer is asking for this. So you want to degrade the user experience for “freedom” by giving the government more power…

> How will it make my everyday experience better as an Apple customer without the integration of software and hardware between my Mac, iPads Watch, Airpods and phone? Perhaps that's the wrong question. Perhaps "making my everyday experience better as a customer" is not the be all end all.

So now you want the government to pass laws that make consumer experience worse?

Maybe that will cause the “Year of Linux on the Desktop” to happen.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by Jtsummers »

webmobdev wrote: post #95
scarface_74 wrote: post #68

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Why should Apple be forced to write software for competing platforms?

It doesn't - it only needs to support open standards.

What open standard covers shared clipboards across devices?

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

scarface_74 wrote: post #88
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #80

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I suppose I should say forced integration; ex. see the recent nonsense with Hue deciding you need an account to control your local lightbulbs, which isn't a problem with third party apps. I'm generally skeptical of vertical integration because of lock in, but if it's not forced it's less obviously bad.

If only adults had agency to make their own decisions about lightbulbs without depending on the government…

What decision would those adults make? The vendor changed the deal after the sale.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by mschuster91 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #99
mschuster91 wrote: post #91

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No, it's what happens when there is no competition in the SoC vendor area. Apple and Samsung don't sell to external customers, NVIDIA doesn't do much with Tegra outside of the Switch and automotive, Broadcom doesn't do much in mobile SoCs (and from what the Raspberry Pi community learned hard, their chips are utter dogshit which is how RPi got started after all - they used surplus crap that Broadcom wasn't able to se…

And yet Apple uses Qualcomm chips and manages to update 10 year old phones. It couldn’t possibly be your premise is flawed could it?

> And yet Apple uses Qualcomm chips and manages to update 10 year old phones.

For modems, yes, but only because there's even less competition in that area (which is why they bought Intel's mobile modem business, but failed to produce a viable design in all the years since).

They've been running their own SoC designs since the iPhone 4 era in 2010.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #105
scarface_74 wrote: post #99

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And yet Apple uses Qualcomm chips and manages to update 10 year old phones. It couldn’t possibly be your premise is flawed could it?

> And yet Apple uses Qualcomm chips and manages to update 10 year old phones. For modems, yes, but only because there's even less competition in that area (which is why they bought Intel's mobile modem business, but failed to produce a viable design in all the years since). They've been running their own SoC designs since the iPhone 4 era in 2010.

So now it’s the severe lack of competition that allows Apple to support phones for a decade but stops Android manufacturers?

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

smoldesu wrote: post #100
scarface_74 wrote: post #86

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Yeah and that works out well with Android and Bluetooth.

Yeah, it did. Your point?

You can seamlessly share standard Bluetooth devices between 5 devices just by pairing it to one like I do with my iPhone, iPad, Watch, MacBook and AppleTV and it automatically switches?

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by robertlagrant »

coldtea wrote: post #76
scarface_74 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many flawed analogies here it’s hard to know where to start. How will it make my everyday experience better as an Apple customer without the integration of software and hardware between my Mac, iPads Watch, Airpods and phone? Windows laptops are worse in every vector than MacBooks. No consumer is asking for this. So you want to degrade the user experience for “freedom” by giving the government more power…

> How will it make my everyday experience better as an Apple customer without the integration of software and hardware between my Mac, iPads Watch, Airpods and phone? Perhaps that's the wrong question. Perhaps "making my everyday experience better as a customer" is not the be all end all.

Thinking you know better than customers is a classic.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by robertlagrant »

loup-vaillant wrote: post #89
kanbara wrote: post #15

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terrible idea. people buy apple products precisely because of how integrated they are. this idealism and desire to force companies to support everything (as much as i want gaming on mac/linux and drivers for things supported) is the single most dangerous idea that would completely ruin the user experience for millions.

> this idealism and desire to force companies to support everything I'm sorry, where did I proposed we do that? As far as I am aware my proposal would only force Apples to split itself in 2: a hardware company that sells top notch hardware (so top notch in fact that even the hardware interfaces are as clean and slick as an iPad's case), and a software company that sells a top-notch integrated software suite on whatev…

Why split the company? What does that do?

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by ggreer »

michaelmrose wrote: post #67
askonomm wrote: post #13

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Well that world would suck immensely, with horrible integration between hardware and software like exists right now outside of the Apple world. Case in point: can you copy text on your phone, and paste in your computer (and vice versa), seamlessly as if it were the same device, without any configuration, hacks or programs needed? Things like that are amazing and I'd never give up. And I'm sure most people wouldn't wa…

What is KDE Connect? Which incidentally runs equally well on other desktops and even windows. https://userbase.kde.org/KDEConnect Also gsconnect can provide integration with gnome. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1319/gsconnect/ KDE Connect is a project that enables all your devices to communicate with each other. Here are a few things KDE Connect can do: Receive your phone notifications on your desktop comput…

KDE Connect requires both devices to be connected to the same network, which means you have to connect your devices to the same VPN if you're on a wifi network with client isolation (most public wifi). If you're away from wifi, you'll have to configure one of the devices to be an access point and join everything else to that device.

Apple's clipboard/handoff/continuity automatically works as long as the devices are within wifi/bluetooth range.

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