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Easy. Buy an Android device from a reputable vendor. Then you get both a solid device and user freedom.
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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
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That's exactly my sentiment. The main issue with this, it's like telling Apple how to do their job. Like , "you guys don't know how to build hardware and software that works really well together" It's well meaning but ultimately flawed. So long as humanity works "competitively" instead of sharing technology for the greater good - companies like Apple are the good guys, not the bad guys. They are trying to make the be…
So you are arguing that users should not be able to use hardware they own as they see fit. Are you serious?
They bought it while fully aware of those shortcomings. It’s like people buying cheap land next to an airport, building a house, complaining about the aircraft noise.
Do not buy it.
> Are you serious?
I am.
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You're advocating against v8 monopoly, where no one is forcing it down on anyone, by holding a candle to the actual enforced monopoly of WebKit? Where's consumer choice in this and how about having an actual choice dictate what is used and what isn't? Let me quote from a familiar case: "Antitrust laws ensure one company doesn't control the market, deplete consumer choice, and inflate prices. Microsoft was accused of…
webkit is not a monopoly. look at browser share across all devices.
On iOS it's 100%. Don't confuse Safari, the browser, with WebKit which all browsers on iOS are forced to use, including Chrome.
Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#924Apple should open up the boot loader and let you install an alternate OS. Can’t get any more open than that. But I think we will find people actually want access to Apple’s audience and dev tools for free. I’m loathe to stump for megacorp like Apple, but in the same vein as iMessage, I don’t think we should drag iOS down to Android’s level just because Googles messaging strategy has been a turd for a decade.
Apple can just charge for the SDKs/XCode/etc. if they really care about their $100/yr/developer revenue stream for publishing on the App Store.
Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#925Next feat after blessing us with the cookie banner and an inferior plug: making iOS so unsafe that everyone has to use physical branches for banking again
If the plug was superior, why wouldn't Apple use it on all their devices? Apple could have also opened the plug up for everybody if they really felt it was superior. Wasn't it Volkswagen that allowed all manufacturers to use the 3 point seat belt because of how safe it was? Volkswagen did something for the common good of humanity. Why couldn't Apple do the same if the plug was so insanely good as you say?
> making iOS so unsafe that everyone has to use physical branches for banking again
Yep, me the Android user has to go to physically go to the bank instead of installing my bank's app off the Play Store.
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0day malwares are due to OS security fault. Hardening must be done by OS rather than store. There are already ways to install non-inspected iOS app.
Right but wouldn't looser security around the App store open up more fronts for attack?
The rules to publish on the App Store aren't changing. Apple only has to allow alternative app stores. If you like the App Store, then continue to use it.
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#928About time. Never understood how apple seemed immune to this when the likes of Google and Microsoft were targeted for their monopolistic behaviour.
Because Apple isn't a monopoly.
Apple is 100% a monopoly. They have a monopoly over software which can run on iOS. You either pay 30% of all revenue, or you lose out on half the North American market. Please explain how that is not a monopoly.
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We don't "get by just fine". Computers overflowing with naively self-installed adware/malware is a recurring and persistent problem with some relatives of mine. Nothing you can say stops them from inadvertently doing it again, they simply lack the sophistication to understand, and then complaining that their computer is slow or doesn't work anymore. Putting these people on iOS is a godsend, these kinds of issues don'…
Am I misunderstanding something or couldn't this just be made an optional setting? So users can lockdown the ability to install stuff if they want without overcoming various hurdles (maybe allow users to add customised message so if a user tries to do it a message will pop-up saying "Your Son/Daughter/whoever has said you should never disable this! Call them before doing this if someone has asked you to!"). I feel li…
You can't make this optional because they will be "taught" how to do it by the likes of Epic and Facebook. If its available people will be exploited.
Has already happened: https://grahamcluley.com/android-security-fortnite/
Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#930I tend to drop the bot/shill-detector part of my brain when I'm on HN, but whenever this topic crops up it's always a deluge of people with the same exact arguments saying "ohh my poor grandma will be coerced to install a Virus if we allow the owner of an iDevice any freedom whatsoever with hardware they bought!!!", and it's quite interesting to me the volume of comments with the exact same identical sentiment copy/p…
The App Store is not perfect, but what was the last time you actually installed a virus on iOS or iPadOS? It's working Good Enough™ I wish/hope that as the default family IT guy, I will be able to set policies on my parents devices that block 3rd party apps.
The reason why they keep hearing people defend the App Store model is because it works.
iOS has the lowest malware share out of all of the major platforms by an utterly staggering margin. On the other side of the spectrum is Android and Windows.
It's not some random shill argument that Apple's model protects users, it's proven, we have the data.
Yet somehow these types want you to believe that if a single piece of malware slips into the App Store that the entire approach is negated, as if the alternative isn't an absolute clusterfk. Or worse that some side-loading middleground hasnt already been abused. (Does no one remember the certificates fiasco? It's why they have a device limit.)
At least they've stopped with the equally absurd argument that Apple's platforms aren't a target "because they have a smaller userbase".
Also super tired of counterarguments based on the pretence: "I've not had any malware experiences, therefore this extremely well studied field in computing is wrong."