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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by amelius »

a-user-you-like wrote: post #746
anhner wrote: post #693

I remember years ago, when the EU first announced they would force Apple to switch to USB-C (well, not specifically Apple, but mandate a single cable type), there were droves of users on HN wailing that "what business does EU have to dictate which cable companies should use?" Yet here we are, everyone praising iPhone 15 for having a USB-C connector. I am looking forward to a couple of years down the line when we can…

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> to coerce men to do what you want

You make it sound as if it's their god given right to make products as they please but that is not how the law works, and it's a good thing, because without laws we'd end up with stuff that works only in the vendor's best interest and ends up as e-waste sooner than necessary. It is also fair, because society is what ultimately allows these companies to exist.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by globular-toast »

donatj wrote: post #753
anhner wrote: post #693

I remember years ago, when the EU first announced they would force Apple to switch to USB-C (well, not specifically Apple, but mandate a single cable type), there were droves of users on HN wailing that "what business does EU have to dictate which cable companies should use?" Yet here we are, everyone praising iPhone 15 for having a USB-C connector. I am looking forward to a couple of years down the line when we can…

With no regard for specified speed / power capabilities, USB-C is in and of itself a vastly physically inferior connection. It becomes easily impacted with pocket lint, and the tolerances are so small it can't be cleaned with normal tools. Not even just the phone, but the cable as well. I'm an Android user and I have spent years dreaming that Apple would just open Lightning to the community. I am kind of lightly thri…

Big disagree. You just clean it out with a brush or something. Maintain your shit. God, imagine if you ever owned the roof over you head or something.

USB-C has the retaining clips in the cable which is a replaceable and sacrificial item. Lightning has it in the device so once it goes the whole device is essentially dead.

So much for "vastly inferior".

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by globular-toast »

a-user-you-like wrote: post #746
anhner wrote: post #693

I remember years ago, when the EU first announced they would force Apple to switch to USB-C (well, not specifically Apple, but mandate a single cable type), there were droves of users on HN wailing that "what business does EU have to dictate which cable companies should use?" Yet here we are, everyone praising iPhone 15 for having a USB-C connector. I am looking forward to a couple of years down the line when we can…

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Nobody is forcing anybody. Apple is free to pull out of the phone market entirely.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by criddell »

henry2023 wrote: post #578
KorematsuFredt wrote: post #365

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Please buy an Android then. Why insist on giving your hard earned money to someone who does not care about your requirements ?

Because I like iPhone hardware. It's high quality and lasts. The EU has the right to mandate rules on what corporations sell to its population. No one is forcing Apple to keep selling phones in the EU. They could even create a version of iPhone exclusively for them. Hopefully that hasn't been the case and finally we all have USB-C. Thanks EU. Hopefully they start being much more strict about repairability and opennes…

I wonder if Apple came out with an Android version of iPhone, would that eliminate pressure on them to open iOS?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Aeolun »

tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #395
Aeolun wrote: post #347

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I have the freedom to choose between Google or Apple. That’s not very free at all.

What do you actually WANT then?

I want nobody to force me to use the hardware I paid for in a specific way, especially if that arbitrarily limits the functionality of the device.

If there were more than just those two providers (say, 10) we’d likely have at least one option like that.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Ridj48dhsnsh »

henry2023 wrote: post #564
cozzyd wrote: post #460

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many of the best apps I have are from f-droid...

Which ones? Maybe there's one or two I can check

Fennec(Firefox), Mull, OsmAnd, Librera Reader, K-9 Mail, Termux, Missed Notification Reminder, SecScanQR, Jitsi Meet, Telegram, Element, Aard 2 (Offline Wiktionary)

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by AltruisticGapHN »

idkwhoiam wrote: post #614

Hey EU, can you please ask BMW to open everything up to its rivals so that I can use Toyota's infotainment system instead of BMW's iDrive. I also want to be able to run PS games on XBox & vice versa without having to buy separate copies. And lastly, how about you open up your very own market to everyone by lifting protectionist taxes

That's exactly my sentiment. The main issue with this, it's like telling Apple how to do their job. Like , "you guys don't know how to build hardware and software that works really well together"

It's well meaning but ultimately flawed. So long as humanity works "competitively" instead of sharing technology for the greater good - companies like Apple are the good guys, not the bad guys. They are trying to make the best products they can THEIR way because that's how this competitive market works.

So now EU is like "no no no you don't understand how to make good products, in fact you have no identity - you just build hardware and let people do whatever the F they want with it¨

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by filcuk »

sureglymop wrote: post #573
henry2023 wrote: post #564

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Which ones? Maybe there's one or two I can check

BreezyWeather, DavX5, jtx Board, Shelter, Floccus, FediLab, UntrackMe, Keepass2Android, andOTP, OpenKeychain, PCAPDroid, AnkiDroid. These are some good ones off the top of my head.

DavX5 is life changing

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by caskstrength »

rafaelmn wrote: post #725
caskstrength wrote: post #567

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And I am perpetually baffled by people crying "Steve Jobs phone open when???!!1" in every such thread, so let me explain in clear terms that even most obtuse people could understand: I spent enough time removing crap like MacKeeper from my GFs/mothers MacBooks and really _not_ looking forward to having to do the same on their iPhones. No, they don't need "freedom" to be tricked into installing crapware on their devic…

> No, they don't need "freedom" to be tricked into installing crapware on their devices same way as I don't need "freedom" to cut my face with an open razor. Are you suggesting we ban razors for public safety then ?

You can buy both open razors and phones that allow side-loading right now and I suggest to keep it that way.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by fbn79 »

nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

> I want to run Firefox on my phone

It's simple, don't buy an iPhone. If you say "But I want an iPhone because is better than any Android", than you have to think that maybe iPhone is better because of the more restrictive rules.

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