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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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why? id doesn't affect your freedom to use only appstore

The coercion is the problem. You are free to buy any phone you want, but want to coerce other men into doing what you want. It’s immoral.

i'm not forcing you to sideload. It's immoral to not own your device fully, not being able to install what you want, even if it can hurt you if you don't have the skills is also immoral

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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why? id doesn't affect your freedom to use only appstore

Because it opens the possibility for folks to get duped into installing something from a different app store that could lead to all sorts of problems. I am thinking about less sophisticated users like my boomer mom and aunts and uncles who if you're a nerd like me you're often the relied upon first line of tech support.

for them you can implement parental control if that's so important, or aple could just put a ton of warnings and dangers with big red cancel button and gray 'I want to continue button' with some additional warnings. In my experience, the second they see this messages, they'll exit the process

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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I remember years ago, when the EU first announced they would force Apple to switch to USB-C (well, not specifically Apple, but mandate a single cable type), there were droves of users on HN wailing that "what business does EU have to dictate which cable companies should use?" Yet here we are, everyone praising iPhone 15 for having a USB-C connector. I am looking forward to a couple of years down the line when we can…

With no regard for specified speed / power capabilities, USB-C is in and of itself a vastly physically inferior connection. It becomes easily impacted with pocket lint, and the tolerances are so small it can't be cleaned with normal tools. Not even just the phone, but the cable as well.

I'm an Android user and I have spent years dreaming that Apple would just open Lightning to the community.

I am kind of lightly thrilled at least that the Apple user base will soon realize what a nightmare it truly is.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Alternate web browsers are allowed on iOS. The rendering engine is a boring, unimportant implementation detail that users do not care for. The success of Chrome for iOS is proof that rendering engine doesn't matter for diversity.

> The rendering engine is a boring, unimportant implementation detail that users do not care for. Then I'm sure users won't mind when I'm allowed to install my own rendering engine on my own computer, that I own, because I bought it, and, therefore, own it.

You sending money to Apple doesn't mean you "own" anything really. You have the right to use it indefinitely, a sort of usufruct. It's like when my dad died, my moms had infinite use of the family house until she dies, while the children had the naked property.

Apple is the same: they own the IP, they can remote upgrade and forbid you to downgrade the software, they have no obligation to repair if broken after a while and do not allow you, for any reason, to use that thing you got to make copies. You don't "own" that phone in any full property sense. You own a license to use it.

So, ofc we other users won't care, but you bet Apple will not start letting you do anything that could harm their bottom line, like for example find a way to use browsers to launch Javascript apps that deal with online payments with them unable to get any revenue from it. Browser are not rendering engine only, they are also javascript interpreters and that is a giant scare for Apple.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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>you can only run Safari on iOS Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, while WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future, so I doubt there's a good anti-competitive case to be made for forcing Apple to stop doing this. It would only accelerate the monopolisation of the browser market if this happened. It would be good for consumers in the short ter…

You're advocating against v8 monopoly, where no one is forcing it down on anyone, by holding a candle to the actual enforced monopoly of WebKit? Where's consumer choice in this and how about having an actual choice dictate what is used and what isn't? Let me quote from a familiar case: "Antitrust laws ensure one company doesn't control the market, deplete consumer choice, and inflate prices. Microsoft was accused of…

webkit is not a monopoly. look at browser share across all devices.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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I, for one, do not look forward to having to sideload Facebook, Instagram, Google, Gmail, and every single other megacorps app just because they want to track my every click. I would rather give power to Apple than all the other companies.

Yeah it's hell on android having to install all of these separate app stores.... Oh, except it isn't, 99.9% of these apps just exist on the Play Store. If you don't like them, just don't use them, right? I mean that's the argument we're seeing against these changes, how does it not apply equally the opposite way? If you don't want to use an app like Facebook because it's on its own separate appstore, then don't. Besi…

Apple have much stricter requirements, which is the point the person is making and you are willingly ignoring.

Apple, right now, have the ability to ensure the apps are transparent about what they track, have an explicit dialogue to confirm if you'd like the app to track you.

These big corps hate that apple have that control and want to keep their customers informed on what's going on, and as such, they will stop using the App Store and ask customers to side load so they can release much more invasive versions of their apps that track everything without any user ever being informed.

So yes, this IS objectively a bad thing and ripe for explotation.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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I don't care one bit about what Apple users can and can't use on their devices. Those consumers don't want general purpose computers, that want iDevices and Apple is quite right to exploit that market.

If I ever thought this was a threat to general purpose computing I would fight it tooth and nail. But Microsoft is and always has been the biggest threat there.

What I do care about is stupid shit like Apple messages, Air Drop, Air Play etc being locked up Apple stuff. What's really stupid is I can run an Air Play server on a raspberry pi and it works well with Apple devices but not at all with Android. It's utterly ridiculous that these things are locked up. Just let things be better for everyone you absolute fucking cunts. Of course Apple are by far not the only cunts in the world. People will be cunts unless we don't let them. Thank fuck for the EU (writing this as an embarresed UK citizen who no longer contributes).

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