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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Affric »

redder23 wrote: post #191

Maybe not surprising but if you read the comments on the website there seems to be only Apple fanboys commenting who are butt-hurt about it. You can not make this up, consumers who root for a monopoly. This reminds me of gamers who hate the Epic Games Store with passion even though they give the actual devs of the games a bigger cut. Competition is always good for the consumers. And I get the security part when it co…

You know nothing about markets or real life market engagement if you blindly believe "competition is always good for consumers".

There are costs to competition, inherently. Competition is only of benefit to consumers if they capture the more of the new surplus utility generated by competition than they capture the new costs.

There will be marketing costs, there will be the costs of the data policies of these new models, there will be time that consumers have to spend becoming engaged in the market for not only software but also the market for markets for software, they will have to understand a greater amount of technical details of how these software marketplaces perform on their devices.

Now, these costs can be paid internally or externally. And guess what... corps always want these to be externalised. So the user/society can pay these costs and they can rack up unearnt surplus.

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Post by zappb »

organsnyder wrote: post #70

I was at [IAPP Global Privacy Summit]( https://iapp.org/conference/global-privacy-summit/ ) 2022, where Tim Cook gave a keynote. He started with highlighting all of the ways Apple protects its users privacy (many of which are great, and the reason I use Apple products!), but then he pivoted to make the case that Apple being forced to allow rival app stores would compromise their ability to protect users' privacy. Thi…

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by rodgerd »

cmcaleer wrote: post #216
tinus_hn wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only there were phones that did exactly what you wanted

The Pixel 5's security update end of life is in two weeks[0]. This is a phone that launched October 2020. My iPhone XS which I bought in 2018 just got the iOS 17 update and it's working pretty well. I want to be able to load whatever I want on my phone, but I also don't want to have to buy a new phone every couple years (or sooner! Looks like the 5a is still in production with security updates ending in 11 months) to…

So you want everything like Android, but you want a magic wand that means you won't get exactly the same outcomes as Android.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by rodgerd »

kibwen wrote: post #275
HWR_14 wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google search, Youtube and many other properties will only work with Chromium as soon as it doesn't mean saying goodbye to iOS users.

The mindset here is so alien to me. Do people think that the EU is willing to take action against Apple, and yet somehow unwilling to take action against Google?

Chrome is already a monopoly. Youtube is a monopoly. Point me to the EU action against them.

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Post by ShrimpHawk »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #411
allenrb wrote: post #383

Good lord, this is the whinge that never ends, isn’t it? If you want an Android phone, dozens if not hundreds of companies will sell you one. You can quite literally choose the level of openness you desire. Personally I prefer the Apple ecosystem where things just tend to work well. It would be difficult to care less about running something other than Safari on an iPhone. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s produ…

I downvoted this because you're ignoring iMessage. The fact that Apple purposefully not only gives Android users a shitty experience when communicating with iOS users, but also ensures that the presence of an Android user can break the experience for everyone else in a group chat (e.g. degraded videos now for everyone) in iMessage is a blatant attempt to abuse their monopoly power (in the US at least where iMessage d…

RCS is a half baked implementation from google; the company that has killed every single chat app they've released. It's a spec that relies on carrier implementation of any feature and if actually implemented by a majority would immediately go the way of SMS and people would cry for a new better spec in a few years. We have seen all of this before and the push for RCS from google is propaganda because iMessage is effective for iOS lock-in and Apple sales. Users have the freedom to install any third party chat app and use that if they don't like iMessage.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-...

> Even if you could snap your fingers and magically roll out RCS to every device, you wouldn't actually create a competitive messaging solution. Being a standard created in 2008 means RCS has standards from 2008, and it's lacking things you would want from a modern messaging service, like end-to-end encryption. The Google Messenger strategy strangely insists on using RCS as the base protocol, but the service also keeps trying to build features on top of it that kick in when both users are on Google Messages.

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Post by nani8ot »

ajdude wrote: post #380
matrix12 wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Graphene OS.

At least when I looked into it, Graphene stops supporting pixels as soon as Google does.

GrapheneOS supports devices 1 year after they stop receiving updates by the OEM.[1]

E.g. my Pixel 4a stopped receiving updates last month but will probably receive Android 14 updates until the next release.

[1] https://grapheneos.org/faq#device-lifetime

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by makeitdouble »

faeriechangling wrote: post #227
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

>you can only run Safari on iOS Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, while WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future, so I doubt there's a good anti-competitive case to be made for forcing Apple to stop doing this. It would only accelerate the monopolisation of the browser market if this happened. It would be good for consumers in the short ter…

> Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly,

You say that as if Apple was a powerless victim with no money and no lawyers.

I'd argue Apple having to straight face Google's domination and doing something about it on the open (basically forcing regulation) would be a better outcome than letting them take iOS users in hostage forever.

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Post by nani8ot »

redder23 wrote: post #191

Maybe not surprising but if you read the comments on the website there seems to be only Apple fanboys commenting who are butt-hurt about it. You can not make this up, consumers who root for a monopoly. This reminds me of gamers who hate the Epic Games Store with passion even though they give the actual devs of the games a bigger cut. Competition is always good for the consumers. And I get the security part when it co…

> This reminds me of gamers who hate the Epic Games Store with passion even though they give the actual devs of the games a bigger cut.

Most of the hate for Epic Games Store I read is that they do exclusives.

It's great that they take a lower cut and give away free games, but them taking away my freedom to buy games from my preferred store is not something I will accept. Yes, almost all games are on Steam because they have a near monopoly on PC gaming, but that's because they actually provide value with their platform. Though I'm biased since I'm gaming on Linux and any other store than Steam is an absolutely terrible experience.

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Post by cozzyd »

highwayman47 wrote: post #406
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

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many of the best apps I have are from f-droid...
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