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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by TimeBearingDown »

nouveaux wrote: post #374
cmcaleer wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Pixel 5's security update end of life is in two weeks[0]. This is a phone that launched October 2020. My iPhone XS which I bought in 2018 just got the iOS 17 update and it's working pretty well. I want to be able to load whatever I want on my phone, but I also don't want to have to buy a new phone every couple years (or sooner! Looks like the 5a is still in production with security updates ending in 11 months) to…

Just spitballing here but it's possible that Android's openness is exactly why Google Pixel doesn't have better resources to have long term support. Some bean counters probably determined that Google doesn't make enough money to have teams supporting older Pixels. Samsung is taking a ton of profits from Pixel and the end result is piss poor Android support on Pixels. Guess what? Samsung doesn't care about long term A…

Samsung has pledged 4 years of OS updates and 5 years of security updates recently.

I’d like to see 7-8 years of security updates, but it’s decent.

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_pledges_4_os_updates_5_year...

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by rTX5CMRXIfFG »

Aeolun wrote: post #347
martimarkov wrote: post #332

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You have freedom to chose the platform.

I have the freedom to choose between Google or Apple. That’s not very free at all.

lol that isnt going to change even if they allow app sideloading or other web browser engines

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by allenrb »

Good lord, this is the whinge that never ends, isn’t it? If you want an Android phone, dozens if not hundreds of companies will sell you one. You can quite literally choose the level of openness you desire.

Personally I prefer the Apple ecosystem where things just tend to work well. It would be difficult to care less about running something other than Safari on an iPhone.

Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s products. I truly don’t understand treating them as some kind of monopoly.

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Post by meroes »

andersa wrote: post #112
organsnyder wrote: post #70

I was at [IAPP Global Privacy Summit]( https://iapp.org/conference/global-privacy-summit/ ) 2022, where Tim Cook gave a keynote. He started with highlighting all of the ways Apple protects its users privacy (many of which are great, and the reason I use Apple products!), but then he pivoted to make the case that Apple being forced to allow rival app stores would compromise their ability to protect users' privacy. Thi…

It's just BS. Privacy and security are OS functions, not part of an app store. iOS has a good base here already - certainly much better than windows where every app can just arbitrarily read every file on the computer...

This is not a technical problem.

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Post by meroes »

savanaly wrote: post #263
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #67

It is understandable why Apple wants to keep its current grip on iOS indefinitely. What I don't understand is why some people defend it, on this very forum! One commenter simultaneously defended gay marriages - "if you don't like gay marriages, don't get married to gays" - and defended the Apple's monopoly - "I like that there is only one Appstore and developers won't force me to sideload".

It comes down to this: I support companies being free to sell the product they want and users being free to buy what they want. If Apple sells a phone that's locked down, a piece of junk, wonderful, or anything in between that's between them and their customers. It's not the government's role to step in and prevent those voluntary transactions IMO. I would allow exceptions for grievous bodily injury and so on in my o…

Yep. Say it again because this site pretends to not understand this

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Post by Affric »

faeriechangling wrote: post #323
HWR_14 wrote: post #258

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Just like Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8/Chromium from a total monopoly, the App Store monopoly is the only thing holding back "use Meta omni-permission store or get cut off from FB/IG/WhatsApp". And then Meta getting most companies to use their store because they'll take 10% and just the data.

I've never installed the Meta omni-permission store on my Android, but I've certainly installed Facebook's applications via the Play Store. I'm not sure why the situation would be any different with iOS. It seems to me that the app store would still utterly dominate even if it were exposed to competition.

If you're posting on Hacker News you're not likely the one most vulnerable to Meta's tactics.

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Post by ralusek »

I love my Galaxy phones. I draw with the stylus constantly. I think they have better cameras. I love the Android back button.

After almost 15 years of Android, I'm buying an iPhone specifically for iMessage. I had a daughter, and I'm so tired of getting and sending videos of her and her peers over SMS. I'm constantly uploading to Google drive and sending links, or asking people to get on an alternative chat platform.

All Apple needs to do is support RCS. They don't do it because they want everybody else to inconvenience iPhone users with their green bubbles. They want tiny garbled videos and no read receipts. Everyone thinks that this is Android holding back Apple users when it's specifically the exact inverse. Accept the open standard for communication! It's one of their most nefarious business moves. "Get your mom an iPhone."

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Post by rTX5CMRXIfFG »

Apocryphon wrote: post #233
frizlab wrote: post #202

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Same here. Side loading will open the door to a whole new category of malware/adware/crapware. Yes of course the App Store is not perfect but at least Apple has control over it and can stop things when they are degenerating. I’m not looking forward to a new Facebook VPN that will “enhance my phone,” available through side loading only, that I will of course never install but which my grandma or another unsuspecting e…

Meta is already in the regulators' sights. Data harvesting is not something the EU is blind to. Presumably there would be injunctions made against them from so easily pied pipering users into doing that. Not to mention, most users do not want to have to jump through more hoops just to have the same old FB/IG/WhatsApp experience. They'd balk.

And you trust governments because?

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Post by quickco »

kibwen wrote: post #288
quickco wrote: post #224

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> iOS is a fantastic operating system. iPhone and iPad are stellar hardware with brilliant physical UX. Apple Watch is leagues beyond anything else in its class. I will keep buying Apple stuff until I can't anymore. People want Apple’s quality, reliability and performance, but also want no restrictions so they can run any app and install anything. Those things aren’t compatible. E.g., Windows and Linux (Desktop distr…

> Those things aren’t compatible. Presented entirely without evidence.

See the very next sentence.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by hexis »

no_wizard wrote: post #298

Ironically, I believe all this scrutiny on Apple really started with degraded developer relations and their 30% take on in app sales. If they had invested in better dev relations and dropped their 30% take (instead of coming up with all the weird ways you have to qualify for lower rates, which don't cover all scenarios), I don't think there would have been enough noise from below on this.

One of the biggest own-goals I've ever seen, really breathtaking how Apple botched this.
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