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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by caskstrength »

shaan7 wrote: post #576
caskstrength wrote: post #567

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I am perpetually baffled by people crying "Steve Jobs phone open when???!!1" in every such thread, so let me explain in clear terms that even most obtuse people could understand: I spent enough time removing crap like MacKeeper from my GFs/mothers MacBooks and really _not_ looking forward to having to do the same on their iPhones. No, they don't need "freedom" to be tricked into installing crapware on their devic…

> No, they don't need "freedom" to be tricked into installing crapware on their devices same way as I don't need "freedom" to cut my face with an open razor But guess what, in the real world you do have the freedom to cut your face with an open razor. Still, you don't see everyone using one (unless they know what they're doing), they rather use a safe razor - they have the sensibility. I find it demeaning that we "ha…

You conveniently skipped part of my comment where I suggested that people who want to install software from outside of corporate app stores are free to vote with their money and buy a phone that allows that? I just want to be free to continue buying safe razors and locked devices for use-cases I deem beneficial.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by matheusmoreira »

tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #395
Aeolun wrote: post #347

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I have the freedom to choose between Google or Apple. That’s not very free at all.

What do you actually WANT then?

I want the keys to the machine. I want corporations to accept that and deal with us on our terms.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by [deleted] »

huytersd wrote: post #568
bmitc wrote: post #472

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> I think it comes down to what we expect the second order effects to be. Apple is the wealthiest single organization in the history of the world, and they just make consumer electronics. This isn't some deep ecological problem. Very little good has come out of letting these big corporations go completely unchecked.

Just some consumer electronics? Phones and computers run the world now.

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by turquoisevar »

no_wizard wrote: post #298

Ironically, I believe all this scrutiny on Apple really started with degraded developer relations and their 30% take on in app sales. If they had invested in better dev relations and dropped their 30% take (instead of coming up with all the weird ways you have to qualify for lower rates, which don't cover all scenarios), I don't think there would have been enough noise from below on this.

I’m happy with my 15% but the 30% never bothered me either.

I still remember the cheers when the 30% was announced because it was vastly better than what the splits were before the launch of the App Store and even now it’s an industry standard.

> (instead of coming up with all the weird ways you have to qualify for lower rates, which don't cover all scenarios)

Not sure what you’re alluding to here.

You essentially automatically qualify if you have less than $1MM in revenue, you tick a few boxes and answer a few questions and within 3 minutes you’re done.

There are some very niche edge cases that might disqualify you to prevent gaming the system, but those are extremely rare.

More than 90% of the developers fall under the lower 15%, but I’m sure some of the big juggernauts are still unhappy that they’re on the 30% tier.

In a fit of irony, lowering the commission to 15% will prove to be a big defensive argument in future antitrust cases, as all developers, including myself, simply pocketed the difference, killing one of the main arguments in cases like that: that these commissions cause higher prices for end users.

The way the experts gave testimony in the cases that so far have occurred, a percentage point or two difference in commission rate would cause huge price swings, moreover, their impromptu studies to support their testimonies claimed that a price difference of a few cents would have huge implications for consumer’s willingness to make the purchase.

It sounded counterintuitive to me then, and now I’ve seen that it truly was nonsense. Apple in the meantime has been able to collect a treasure trove of data that shows that even a cut of 15% (roughly 3x more than the most ambitious hypothetical in testimonies) couldn’t sway the prices downwards for the end user.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by caskstrength »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #574
caskstrength wrote: post #567

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I am perpetually baffled by people crying "Steve Jobs phone open when???!!1" in every such thread, so let me explain in clear terms that even most obtuse people could understand: I spent enough time removing crap like MacKeeper from my GFs/mothers MacBooks and really _not_ looking forward to having to do the same on their iPhones. No, they don't need "freedom" to be tricked into installing crapware on their devic…

> buy an Android device and install whatever software they want like I did Good luck with that. Hardware remote attestation will fail, outing you to the corporations as someone who "tampered" with the device. You'll be refused service based on that alone, from frivolous content consumption to vital banking services.

What does it have to do with forcing Apple to allow installing iOS software outside of their approved appstore? Manually installed FF from hypothetical non-Apple store will somehow magically pass remote attestation on iOS or what?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by breeze1990 »

cmdli wrote: post #184

I, for one, do not look forward to having to sideload Facebook, Instagram, Google, Gmail, and every single other megacorps app just because they want to track my every click. I would rather give power to Apple than all the other companies.

Has it occurred to you that Apple might not be that different from other companies you listed. It's just good marketing strategy like Google had "don't be evil" years ago. Essentially apple is like only I can access all user data for profit, improving products, ads, while others can't.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by matheusmoreira »

caskstrength wrote: post #581
shaan7 wrote: post #576

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> No, they don't need "freedom" to be tricked into installing crapware on their devices same way as I don't need "freedom" to cut my face with an open razor But guess what, in the real world you do have the freedom to cut your face with an open razor. Still, you don't see everyone using one (unless they know what they're doing), they rather use a safe razor - they have the sensibility. I find it demeaning that we "ha…

You conveniently skipped part of my comment where I suggested that people who want to install software from outside of corporate app stores are free to vote with their money and buy a phone that allows that? I just want to be free to continue buying safe razors and locked devices for use-cases I deem beneficial.

Yeah, just buy a phone that doesn't allow you to run the messaging services you need to communicate with your family and business contacts. Just buy a phone you can't run your banking app on because they only support locked down platforms. The freedom of choice is astounding.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by lern_too_spel »

huytersd wrote: post #566
kibwen wrote: post #318

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> Fucking good. Seconded. Perpetually baffled by the so-called hackers in all of these threads arguing vociferously against user freedom.

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Easy. Buy an Android device from a reputable vendor. Then you get both a solid device and user freedom.
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