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I have the freedom to choose between Google or Apple. That’s not very free at all.
https://puri.sm/products/liberty-phone/
"Starting at $2,199"
Freedom isn't free, apparently.
EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
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#602It is understandable why Apple wants to keep its current grip on iOS indefinitely. What I don't understand is why some people defend it, on this very forum! One commenter simultaneously defended gay marriages - "if you don't like gay marriages, don't get married to gays" - and defended the Apple's monopoly - "I like that there is only one Appstore and developers won't force me to sideload".
It comes down to this: I support companies being free to sell the product they want and users being free to buy what they want. If Apple sells a phone that's locked down, a piece of junk, wonderful, or anything in between that's between them and their customers. It's not the government's role to step in and prevent those voluntary transactions IMO. I would allow exceptions for grievous bodily injury and so on in my o…
> I support companies being free to sell the product they want
Do you support companies adding melamine to infant formula?
Or is your actual position slightly more nuanced?
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#603But my benefit IS the walled garden…
You can get an android if you want more access
Why don’t the govts set a good example and open up everything themselves?
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#604What does the EU want to distract us from this time?
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#605Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…
> It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. What I really want is an up-to-date browser even if iOS stops being supported on an old phone of mine. (And they seem to be dropping support faster, what with iOS 17 not supporting the iPhone X — introduced in 2017 — without any legitimate hardware reason.) It's ridiculous that Safari and the underlying WebKit eng…
That's the biggest problem with Chromebooks (or at least was the last time I used one).
The thing becomes useless as soon as it stops getting updates, because your browser doesn't get new features and gets locked out of various parts of the internet as time matches on without you. On any other computer, you can keep the browser up to date long after the OS stops receiving patches.
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#606It's complete bs that Microsoft gets anti monopoly lawsuit just for having IE as default browser, but Apple can just force everyone to only be able to install software thru their own app store.
> just for having IE as default browser That's not what it was about. The FTC accused MS of Monopoly Abuse. MS gave away IE in a deliberate attempt to destroy Netscape, and they succeeded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor... .
So if Apple were Microsoft, they just wouldn't let Netscape in their app store in the first place.
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#607I, for one, do not look forward to having to sideload Facebook, Instagram, Google, Gmail, and every single other megacorps app just because they want to track my every click. I would rather give power to Apple than all the other companies.
You know, it’s be good. Bc then I would only use crippled web apps, which will probably get rid of the habit of opening these time traps
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A good solution to apps wanting to track your every click is not organizational but technical. Just don't give them APIs for reliable cross-app tracking. That advertising ID? It simply does not need to exist at all . Same for all the attribution bullshit. Besides, sideloading enables installation of modded apps giving users more choice.
Same with not allowing fine-grain control of what apps are allowed to use your WiFi/connect to the internet. I don't give a shit that an app feels entitled to it, its my internet bill and its already implemented perfectly for your cellular data stuff. There's no reason or excuse its not a privacy setting that you can tightly-control and revoke.
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> Fucking good. Seconded. Perpetually baffled by the so-called hackers in all of these threads arguing vociferously against user freedom.
I think it comes down to what we expect the second order effects to be. Those who argue that forcing Apple to open up their ecosystem is a good thing appear to believe that increased user freedom will lead to more option for all and increase freedom further. Those of us who argue that being forced to open their ecosystem is a bad thing believe (speaking personally) that any user freedom added would quickly be lost an…
> that any user freedom added would quickly be lost and set further back than we started as larger organizations would end up strong-arming or tricking users into giving away their freedom or fear missing out
Regulate away their ability to do that. Even if it kills them.
Just literally write it into law. Make computer device users a protected class of consumer. Owners of computing devices shall have complete access to the devices they buy and shall not be discriminated against based on the software they choose to run, including but not limited to refusal to interoperate.
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#610Good lord, this is the whinge that never ends, isn’t it? If you want an Android phone, dozens if not hundreds of companies will sell you one. You can quite literally choose the level of openness you desire. Personally I prefer the Apple ecosystem where things just tend to work well. It would be difficult to care less about running something other than Safari on an iPhone. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s produ…
your regurgitated talking points are copy pasta at this point, they have been thoroughly refuted a billion times - so I'm gonna keep it short and sweet, if Apple doesn't like the European guidelines they are welcome to stop selling their products there.
I do think Apple withdrawing from the EU would be preferable to degrading the experience, quality, and safety of the platform for the vast majority of people who are not in the EU.