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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 1:34 AM UTC

allenrb wrote: post #383

Good lord, this is the whinge that never ends, isn’t it? If you want an Android phone, dozens if not hundreds of companies will sell you one. You can quite literally choose the level of openness you desire. Personally I prefer the Apple ecosystem where things just tend to work well. It would be difficult to care less about running something other than Safari on an iPhone. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s produ…

I downvoted this because you're ignoring iMessage. The fact that Apple purposefully not only gives Android users a shitty experience when communicating with iOS users, but also ensures that the presence of an Android user can break the experience for everyone else in a group chat (e.g. degraded videos now for everyone) in iMessage is a blatant attempt to abuse their monopoly power (in the US at least where iMessage dominates). I've been an Android user for years and am reluctantly seriously considering getting an iPhone solely because my friends bitch at me all the time when I'm in a group chat.

Apple doesn't even need to make an Android version of iMessage, they just need to support RCS instead of SMS/MMS: https://www.android.com/get-the-message/

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 1:35 AM UTC

faeriechangling wrote: post #227

nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

>you can only run Safari on iOS Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, while WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future, so I doubt there's a good anti-competitive case to be made for forcing Apple to stop doing this. It would only accelerate the monopolisation of the browser market if this happened. It would be good for consumers in the short ter…

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by tymscar » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 1:42 AM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #150

sccxy wrote: post #145

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I just tested with MS Edge and it 100% opened in Safari. And most frustrating is when you had Safari in private browsing mode, then shortcut (not pwa app) is also opened in private mode as new tab...

Maybe it's a bug in the Edge implementation then? Because it works fine in Chrome.

It’s much simpler than that. Home screen shortcuts open in the default browser on iOS regardless of where you created the shortcuts from. So they just didn’t have Edge set as default

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by ThatPlayer » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 1:42 AM UTC

natch wrote: post #309

kibwen wrote: post #261

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> The rendering engine is a boring, unimportant implementation detail that users do not care for. Then I'm sure users won't mind when I'm allowed to install my own rendering engine on my own computer, that I own, because I bought it, and, therefore, own it.

Apple is trying to prevent familial and household abuse where people install invasive software on devices of household members to spy on them or otherwise take away their privacy and freedoms. What solution would you suggest? Just look the other way?

The same solutions that prevents people from going to "scamwebsite.com" to steal their credit card information and ask for social security numbers. That's already an issue with a web browser like Safari is it not?

The same solutions we use for kids: parental controls that do not allow them to install new apps or give permissions like location permissions to apps. iOS already supports this.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by osti » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 1:43 AM UTC

It's complete bs that Microsoft gets anti monopoly lawsuit just for having IE as default browser, but Apple can just force everyone to only be able to install software thru their own app store.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by labcomputer » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 1:43 AM UTC

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #300

coldtea wrote: post #290

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> Competition is always good for the consumers. So lets have a walled-garden OS compete with a sideloading-enabled/free-for-all/anything goes OS. But no, instead they have to break a good thing. Now every idiotic company like Adobe will demand their own installers, and updaters, and background processes that you can't turn off, and piss all over the iOS, like they do on the macOS. And let's not get started onto force…

All of that is already accounted for and protected by in the OS. An app cannot normally register daemons or agent (or even an XPC service). Installing is already limited to FrontBoard standard installation mechanism. All that will remain in a possible open iOS future.

> An app cannot normally register daemons or agent (or even an XPC service). Installing is already limited to FrontBoard standard installation mechanism. All that will remain in a possible open iOS future.

So Apple won’t comply with the EU law then?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by cm2012 » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 1:45 AM UTC

Every regulation the EU puts on Apple delights me.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by myko » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 1:45 AM UTC

highwayman47 wrote: post #406

nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

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The AltStore apps I've installed are pretty reliable

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 1:49 AM UTC

nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by catiopatio » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 1:50 AM UTC

wizofaus wrote: post #396

catiopatio wrote: post #219

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> Have never understood why developers haven't kicked up more of a fuss over that restriction It’s an innate limitation, not an arbitrary restriction. Should Apple really be forced to port their tooling — and the entire, massive software stack it’s based on — to other platforms? I assume most developers targeting Apple’s platforms don’t kick up a fuss because they’re happy running macOS.

Just publish the specs for how to build/sign an iOS binary...

That information is already available, and much of the implementation (if not all) is open source.

You’re free to produce your own toolchain, developer tools, IDE, etc.

This generally isn’t done because it’s a significant amount of work, and you’ll always be playing catch-up to Apple’s comprehensive integrated development stack.