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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by dustedcodes »

stevemk14ebr wrote: post #297
dustedcodes wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MacBook Air M2 should be the choice for any normal person who just needs to get normal work done. No politics, but clearly I've touched an insecurity here :/

insecurity lol. You made an unbased claim and retort with 'insecurity' when challenged. All operating systems have pros and cons, and people have preferences.

Unbased claim? I wouldn't call a stupid joke a claim LOL. It's an internet meme for god's sake and clearly some people really tight up their arse have been triggered by this dumb internet meme joke LMFAO.

"Friend don't let friends... "

etc.

Anyway, enjoy wrestling your own computer if it makes you happy. I have no qualms with that :)

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by marcodiego »

wiz21c wrote: post #322
sandworm101 wrote: post #304

Every day of bad new for Microsoft and Windows is another great day for Linux. You all have a choice. Make it.

Yup. With Linux I don't get bullied to install their stuff. But you'll say "but you get bugs, less mature desktop environment" (just one point of my daily usage). Yeah sure, but instead of complaining about being bullied I get a chance to help the folks who make the programs I use (bug reports, small commits). So instead of a negative feeling, I have a positive feeling. That's an enormous difference to me. Let's have…

> "but you get bugs, less mature desktop environment"

I don't think a linux distro maintained since 2020 feels less mature of more buggy than proprietary alternatives.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by Ygg2 »

15457345234 wrote: post #76
PaulHoule wrote: post #51

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You can turn all of that crap off with some effort. Contrast that to the Linux desktop where you can't turn off the "it just doesn't work" (unless you mean just disable the GUI completely and only use the CLI), and the enthusiast who says they have it working just the way they want probably has "just not working" more thoroughly than the defaults. The thing is that those ads are: (1) almost always for other Microsoft…

> Contrast that to the Linux desktop where you can't turn off the "it just doesn't work" The modern Linux desktop is pretty damn usable, especially if you go with something like PopOS. It's got to be covering 99% of non-workstation-type of use cases out of the box.

Eh. It depends. If you have something exotic as analog mouse it just doesn't work on Linux.

And Linux suffers from OS version of Lisp curse - i.e. whenever two nerds disagree you get a new distro with slightly incompatible behavior.

Not to mention Linux breaks compatibility left and right, while Windows lives with its mistakes forever.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by [deleted] »

offices wrote: post #324
fhd2 wrote: post #288

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A: "Edge conversations are up 4%! What else can we do to increase them?" B: "Users that already have Edge as their default browser also see these, shouldn't we first fix that?" A: "That wouldn't increase Edge conversions, would it?" B: "No, but..." A: "Then we don't have time for that. What can we do to increase them?" Been there - not at Microsoft, but it's not particularly unique to them.

Maybe B doesn't exist because B uses Chrome.

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by fhd2 »

offices wrote: post #324
fhd2 wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A: "Edge conversations are up 4%! What else can we do to increase them?" B: "Users that already have Edge as their default browser also see these, shouldn't we first fix that?" A: "That wouldn't increase Edge conversions, would it?" B: "No, but..." A: "Then we don't have time for that. What can we do to increase them?" Been there - not at Microsoft, but it's not particularly unique to them.

Maybe B doesn't exist because B uses Chrome.

Yeah I was wondering if they even know about it :D You'd have to listen to users (at least accidentally) or do some specific data analysis to find out I guess, if nobody on that team uses Edge.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by fhd2 »

Draiken wrote: post #333
HeavyStorm wrote: post #318

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Sorry, I don't have a choice. And I find it naive to think that I do.

You work with a MS stack? My condolences. Yeah this is a point that a lot of people forget: we don't always have a choice. Same happened to me years back but with MacOS. CEO was high on how "startups" all used Macs, and forced me to use an old shitty Macbook instead of my Linux. What an awful experience. Thankfully I now WFH with my own equipment and was never again forced into any particular OS.

So I'm not alone! Once worked for a Apple-only company using only Apple hardware and even their office and cloud stuff. Thought there can't possibly be a lot of those.

To give Microsoft some credit, at least you can run Windows in a VM pretty seamlessly. Low bar, I know, but Apple doesn't allow you to run macOS on non-Apple hardware IIRC. Using a Windows VM for a client that has a Windows-only (for now :P) stack, and the experience is a lot better than at that Apple-only place back then.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by raxxorraxor »

mkl95 wrote: post #316

Windows 10 is just fine for my needs. Yet every weeks my system is kidnapped on startup by a menu full of dark patterns that tries to lure me into installing Windows 11. Not only is it hostile and deceitful, but it fails to explain the advantages of upgrading to 11, which makes it useless.

I use bios to boot my system and Windows tells me I don't meet the hardware requirements (because I don't use UEFI/secure boot). That completely stops any messages bugging me to upgrade.

I just think that the message is quite misleading, because it certainly can run on my hardware. I just need to reformat my drive and activate the TPM. Some people might be inclined to really buy new hardware...

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by wiz21c »

thfuran wrote: post #336
wiz21c wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. With Linux I don't get bullied to install their stuff. But you'll say "but you get bugs, less mature desktop environment" (just one point of my daily usage). Yeah sure, but instead of complaining about being bullied I get a chance to help the folks who make the programs I use (bug reports, small commits). So instead of a negative feeling, I have a positive feeling. That's an enormous difference to me. Let's have…

> I get a chance to help the folks who make the programs I use (bug reports, small commits Approximately 0.0% of users see that as an opportunity.

Approximately 0.0% of the users actually produce those programs. And yet, we got those programs...

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by Draiken »

fhd2 wrote: post #347
Draiken wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You work with a MS stack? My condolences. Yeah this is a point that a lot of people forget: we don't always have a choice. Same happened to me years back but with MacOS. CEO was high on how "startups" all used Macs, and forced me to use an old shitty Macbook instead of my Linux. What an awful experience. Thankfully I now WFH with my own equipment and was never again forced into any particular OS.

So I'm not alone! Once worked for a Apple-only company using only Apple hardware and even their office and cloud stuff. Thought there can't possibly be a lot of those. To give Microsoft some credit, at least you can run Windows in a VM pretty seamlessly. Low bar, I know, but Apple doesn't allow you to run macOS on non-Apple hardware IIRC. Using a Windows VM for a client that has a Windows-only (for now :P) stack, and…

Mine was a cheap bastard... they gave me an old Macbook my boss had dropped from the top of a server rack. It still "worked" (with random freezes and other intermittent issues), so they thought: why not save a buck?

I'm sure my experiences with that tainted my views of MacOS somewhat, but still nothing compares to having real control over your OS. In the long run, Linux always wins in that regard.

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