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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by midasuni »

isanjay wrote: post #291
midasuni wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big businesses have more resource and more ability to manipulate the public than democratic governments

Big businesses buy politicians too...

The usual solution from libertarian techies is to remove what little power democratic governments have and let big business be unchecked other than some “invisible hand” from a collection of individual actors who can’t scale due to psychological warfare that big companies can easily scale to.

We are now at a point that billionaires openly make unilateral decisions about foreign and defence policy with little discussion in public eyes, let alone checks and balances.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by Draiken »

HeavyStorm wrote: post #318
sandworm101 wrote: post #304

Every day of bad new for Microsoft and Windows is another great day for Linux. You all have a choice. Make it.

Sorry, I don't have a choice. And I find it naive to think that I do.

You work with a MS stack? My condolences.

Yeah this is a point that a lot of people forget: we don't always have a choice. Same happened to me years back but with MacOS. CEO was high on how "startups" all used Macs, and forced me to use an old shitty Macbook instead of my Linux. What an awful experience.

Thankfully I now WFH with my own equipment and was never again forced into any particular OS.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by smcl »

offices wrote: post #329
smcl wrote: post #313

Has to be pretty embarrassing for the Edge developers that something they've worked on is mostly known as a punchline or an annoyance shoved down people's throats, rather than a product that can stand and compete on its own two feet.

And the strategy of your employers implies that your work to improve the product doesn't actually matter, only tricking customers into becoming users does. There can be no discussion about the relative quality of Edge without this subject in the foreground. The only word-of-mouth is from the tricked users who don't know the difference and just see it as the button for the internet. It doesn't matter if you introduce…

Precisely. It totally undermines their engineering efforts. There are people I know who use Edge willingly, and their anecdotal claims are that it has reduced resource usage over Chrome (somehow, which is weird since it's using the same engine). It was also used by a few in the Geoguessr community for a while since it didn't hit some annoying Google Street View bug that Chrome did.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by erremerre »

Jedd wrote: post #292
p1necone wrote: post #45

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The main problem with Debian is outdated software. For servers the fixed release cycle is great, everything is properly tested and it should be rock solid without really needing to touch it. But for a regular desktop/workstation system I want more frequent software updates even if it comes at the cost of a little stability. (Of course there's Debian unstable, but I'd rather go with a distro where the rolling release…

> The main problem with Debian is outdated software. I'm a Debian user. I see this a lot. Often in contrast with Ubuntu. Yet Debian's cycle is roughly on par with Ubuntu's LTS - every ~2 years.[0] Perhaps they mean there are interim releases in Ubuntu? It's hard to say for sure, as the phrase 'outdated software' can mean different things (more than 6 months old, more than 2 years old, in need of a security patch for…

Isn't Debian Testing also more outdated when compared against the main distros ubuntu/fedora/opensuse?

It used to be the case in 2010, but that is 13 years ago...

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by thfuran »

wiz21c wrote: post #322
sandworm101 wrote: post #304

Every day of bad new for Microsoft and Windows is another great day for Linux. You all have a choice. Make it.

Yup. With Linux I don't get bullied to install their stuff. But you'll say "but you get bugs, less mature desktop environment" (just one point of my daily usage). Yeah sure, but instead of complaining about being bullied I get a chance to help the folks who make the programs I use (bug reports, small commits). So instead of a negative feeling, I have a positive feeling. That's an enormous difference to me. Let's have…

> I get a chance to help the folks who make the programs I use (bug reports, small commits

Approximately 0.0% of users see that as an opportunity.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by erremerre »

cmcaleer wrote: post #299
Thlom wrote: post #220

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I've heard the same from university staff. The last few years many new students are having problems with the simplest stuff like uploading their course work into whatever educational platform the university is using because they have no grasp of the concept of a file.

Directory structures is the ‘skill’ I’ve been hearing a lot of complaints about students not understanding. Particularly annoying for those teaching first year undergrad SWEng, since the gap between those self starters who have some idea of what’s going on and those who don’t really care and we’re pressured into it by parents is larger than ever. It’s pretty unfair on those who have done the bare minimum amount of ex…

Directory structures is a skill that most people with low computing knowledge always failed. I went to a GIS course, and people had troubles following because they saved their work (like click on save button, write a name and click accept) but then they were oblivious in whatever folder had been saved (they were computers from the lab/course) and couldn't find them.

Also not understanding what a zip file is, (just a weird folder that sometimes fails).

I am not surprised it is being the very same case with new generations. But before people were saving things in their desktop, now they just use the most recent function.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by dustedcodes »

fphhotchips wrote: post #311
dustedcodes wrote: post #290

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MacBook Air M2 should be the choice for any normal person who just needs to get normal work done. No politics, but clearly I've touched an insecurity here :/

This is the worst answer. Office for Mac is horrible compared to the same for Windows, as is plenty of other very common software - if it runs on Mac at all. It's also much worse to administer from an enterprise perspective, so it's probably not supported by the wife's IT team, and if it is it probably would have some horrible software on it that makes it unusable.

Sorry, with all due respect you are the first person who has ever claimed that Office doesn't work on a Mac. In fact, Office on Mac is notorious for being BETTER than on Windows, even Microsoft employees say so themselves.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by Draiken »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #190
bachmeier wrote: post #95

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> Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. I usually try to avoid discussions of the OS, since it's such a terribly boring topic. However, this is quite an extraordinary claim that is made without any details. Perhaps you could elaborate. As someone that has used various Linux distros for nearly twenty years, I don't think I could construct a scenario in which someone…

It's 2023 and I still can't get a Dell laptop with Linux pre-installed to sleep properly without crashing without editing things in the terminal and mucking about in the bios. Even giving up on that and disabling sleep on lid close requires using the terminal. Sure the Gnome Tweaks tool has a setting for that but it's not installed by default and check the comments here, it doesn't actually work. https://askubuntu.co…

Be mad at Dell, not Linux.

Pretty much every sleep issue I've encountered in the wild is due to the hardware manufacturer's shitty implementation.

The only reason some features "just work" with Windows is because they only care if it works with Windows.

Ultimately it still sucks if it happens with your hardware, but you should direct your frustration to the right party. Maybe one day people will care enough and interoperability can become the default.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by sneak »

midasuni wrote: post #331
isanjay wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big businesses buy politicians too...

The usual solution from libertarian techies is to remove what little power democratic governments have and let big business be unchecked other than some “invisible hand” from a collection of individual actors who can’t scale due to psychological warfare that big companies can easily scale to. We are now at a point that billionaires openly make unilateral decisions about foreign and defence policy with little discussi…

I think this is curve-fitting.

Billionaires in the USA are completely and totally beholden to the military-industrial complex, for the most part. Look how they all scrambled for JEDI, for example.

The US military alone spends the entire net worth of the richest private person in 17 weeks, wealth it took him 30-ish years to accumulate; that's not counting the rest of government spending. There's an argument that any senator is "richer" than the richest private person in the country. It's not even the same ballpark.

Did you have specific instances in mind?

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