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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by lr4444lr »

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

> there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's not that big of a problem.

Go live like that for 6 months and get back to us: food insecurity, inadequate healthcare, and few civil services or safety net.

Those other countries are not net zero pollution either. You wanna crash the economy? How then will we develop the innovations to fix this problem?

Can't believe this comment is top rated.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

huntertwo wrote: post #111
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

You realize that would cause countless death _today_ if you don’t replace the oil with something else? People will starve, become homeless, and maybe anarchy will reign. Not just in the developed world but globally.

What do you think will happen if the temperatures keep rising, the oceans keep rising, and currently livable areas of land that hold billions of people become inhabitable?

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by badtension »

datameta wrote: post #152
moffkalast wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more you think about it the more it becomes plainly obvious how unfathomably screwed we genuinely are.

If policies don't drastically change. Just imagine norwegian electric car subsidies but happening everywhere decades straight - for solar, wind, tidal, battery, pumped water stations, sand batteries. Perhaps a Sahara -> Europe solar megaproject (I remember a good discussion on HN about that). Separately, I wonder if a geoengineering megaproject is more likely to be funded than small incremental changes due to politic…

> If policies don't drastically change. Just imagine norwegian electric car subsidies but happening everywhere decades straight - for solar, wind, tidal, battery, pumped water stations, sand batteries. Perhaps a Sahara -> Europe solar megaproject (I remember a good discussion on HN about that).

Do you honestly see them changing in the following years? We had Paris 8 years ago and the only thing that caused a small, one-year dip in our emissions was a deadly pandemic...

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by dazc »

verisimi wrote: post #122

We've had a warm few days but overall its been a pretty wet summer in the UK. Last year was warmer. Re the chart - did temperature recording start in 1980? Can't we have the temperature that is on record (ie back to 1880 or whatever), if you are going to claim this is the hottest on record... Stuff like that is suspicious.

1976 anyone?

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by netsharc »

pier25 wrote: post #149
cmews wrote: post #90

My prediction is that geo-engineering will be done when a certain death/disturbance threshold will have been reached (too many climate refugees for example and western world can't achieve a closed border, or too many weather disasters that hit the western world and populations are convinced it is because of global warming). However I don't think we will reach it in the next 5-10 years, but maybe after that period. Al…

The 2030s is when I think things are going to start getting serious.

I think 2-3 years, tbh.. it's a doom spiral.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by jader201 »

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

> we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change

This really shouldn’t be the top comment on this thread without some sort of reference to cost/benefit analysis to back it up.

Otherwise this appears to be an overly extreme solution to give climate deniers fuel to not listen to more reasonable solutions.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by black_13 »

mrcwinn wrote: post #134
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

Look around. Everyone on earth wants to maintain a standard of living. Governments are toppled over this. And yet it is the largest economy that is objectively slowing its share of contributed emissions. And it’s the largest exhibit that is helping to drive the innovation needed to solve this problem, alongside incredible people from all parts of the globe. I wish we weren’t dealing with this. I wish there had been a…

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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by zetsurin »

markus_zhang wrote: post #63

How is the metric measured? I read https://climate.copernicus.eu/summer-2023-hottest-record but didn't get a good idea. Maybe I missed something. Reason I ask is because strangely we got a very cool summer for the previous 3 months in Eastern Canada. But that's part of earth so I'm asking about the method, how the weight is distributed, etc.

I'm in eastern Canada, with the exception of August, it was unseasonably hot in Ontario and Nova Scotia.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #192
huntertwo wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize that would cause countless death _today_ if you don’t replace the oil with something else? People will starve, become homeless, and maybe anarchy will reign. Not just in the developed world but globally.

What do you think will happen if the temperatures keep rising, the oceans keep rising, and currently livable areas of land that hold billions of people become inhabitable?

Thanos is that you?

Wanting to kill people now, to hopefully save the environment in the future.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by yashap »

markwkw wrote: post #146
badtension wrote: post #7

> It was the hottest August on record – by a large margin – and the second hottest ever month after July 2023, according to the Copernicus Climate Change Service ERA 5 dataset. August as a whole is estimated to have been around 1.5°C warmer than the preindustrial average for 1850-1900, according to the C3S monthly climate bulletin. Thinking about getting to 1.5 C averaged over the planet is surreal and we are still 3…

On the other hand, looking at lived experience the story is quite tricky. From the perspective of an individual it is very hard to detect this level of climate change. I can't tell how much warmer any given month was compared to even 20 years ago. We're talking about 28 vs 28.5°C average for a month. (and July and August made news because of pronounced anomalies, other months were probably even murkier stories due to…

Depends where you live. I live in Vancouver, BC, and the effects here are very, very significant. It used to be that wildfire smoke in the city was super rare, but for the past ~10 years there’s been massive amounts of smoke in the city almost every summer. Weeks each summer where the air is filled with smoke, your throat itches non-stop, and it’s not healthy to be outside for extended periods. Virtually everyone agrees this is due to climate change, and it’s a pretty major negative impact on quality of living here, and pretty much everywhere along the west coast of North America.

Or another example, that I don’t have personal experience with - island nations dealing with a big increase in hurricane severity and/or frequency also have very visceral experiences of climate change.

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