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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by huntertwo »

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

You realize that would cause countless death _today_ if you don’t replace the oil with something else? People will starve, become homeless, and maybe anarchy will reign. Not just in the developed world but globally.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by ZeroFries »

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

Have you done the cost:benefit analysis? Curious what makes you so confident that "crashing the economy" (you're aware of all the excess death and despair this would cause?) is the best move here.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by jmondi »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #109
jmondi wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what about all the countries that won’t do anything regardless? So we should just tank our own economy while being unable to do anything about our neighbors? It won’t take tanking the economy, it would take world war 3.

“I won’t stop because they won’t stop” is going to destroy the planet

It is a collective effort. If you don’t realize that, you will not get anywhere in your goals of reducing climate change.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by pc86 »

flooow wrote: post #15
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #5

>If the C3S dataset only currently starts in 1979, how can you then provide temperatures relating to the pre-industrial era? >In order to relate global mean temperature derived from the C3S dataset (ERA5) to the pre-industrial era, we use the estimate that the 1981-2010 reference period is approximately 0.69°C and that the 1991-2020 reference period is approximately 0.88°C warmer than the period 1850-1900, the time p…

Obviously clearer is better, but do you think a scientific body should be expected to go out of its way to convey information in a way that would be difficult for bad-faith actors to willfully misinterpret? Because I don't.

"Bad faith actor" is different from someone who is simply unfamiliar with the material, uneducated, or skeptical for good faith reasons.

Bad faith actors will act in bad faith, we all know that. But yes, you should go out of your way as a scientific body to explain your conclusions to good faith skeptics and people who want to understand your material. And I think that bar goes higher the more bad faith actors you have in your field.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by afpx »

pc86 wrote: post #110
afpx wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d like to know more about the legitimate doubts. I haven’t heard a solid argument yet. Of the arguments I’ve heard though, the speaker had had low scientific literacy and misunderstandings of the scientific process and the data. They were perturbed by media, mainly. So, I’d like to hear someone serious address the issue.

You don't need a solid argument to have doubts, you need to hear a solid argument (or more accurately, several of them over some period of time) not to have doubts, and even then you should be checking and doubting your own assumptions. Not everyone is a scientist or an engineer. You don't have to be an idiot to read the above statements and have your main takeaway be "they don't know for sure so they guessed" and it…

So, you’re saying the models that have been used and refined over decades have been wildly inaccurate? It’d be interesting to me to see that analysis. Maybe it’ll change my mind.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by edhelas »

huntertwo wrote: post #111
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

You realize that would cause countless death _today_ if you don’t replace the oil with something else? People will starve, become homeless, and maybe anarchy will reign. Not just in the developed world but globally.

Sounds like what will actually happen _tomorrow_ if we don't act radically _now_.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by Sanctity6820 »

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by RandomLensman »

edhelas wrote: post #118
huntertwo wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize that would cause countless death _today_ if you don’t replace the oil with something else? People will starve, become homeless, and maybe anarchy will reign. Not just in the developed world but globally.

Sounds like what will actually happen _tomorrow_ if we don't act radically _now_.

Nothing of that sort will happen "tomorrow", and even if true it would not justify genocidal policies today.
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