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Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Idiotic argument, nobody's house is 3.7 million sq miles, nor do 350 million people live in anybody's "house".

So it's inconvenient for you to open your house to anyone?

If my house were like a country, it would be quite convenient and I would indeed open my home to everyone willing to participate in my social contract.

But my home isn’t in any way like a country, so this question isn’t meaningful.

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Best move right now is to go into freelance/consulting and wait for big tech to recover. Still plenty of money to be made that way.

Right now the consulting market is at zero. 18 months ago i was talking to 4 recruiters in parallel, turning down jobs and making companies outbid each other. Today the only recruiters who will return my calls are the ones who have gotten me jobs in the past and they all said they don’t have anything. One of them talked about an opportunity that might exist in 3 weeks time that he’ll put me in for if it gets the go a…

Weird, that vast majority of jobs I see posted now (in my area of experience) are either from grifty third party recruiters or small random consulting firms. I see very few first part job postings by companies.

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Do you seriously believe nobody in the non English speaking world can write code?

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I've had multiple coworkers remove comments or reject CRs because there were too many comments. If you foster a culture where comments are discouraged then it's less of an impediment

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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If only there were labor protection laws that prevent companies from firing and hiring at the same time(for same/similar roles) in the US. This is madness.

Then how would a company replace low performers?

If they are not performing their job, they will be fired.

Unless by “low performers” you mean the supposedly weakest pawn in some “feelings-based” CEO’s desperate attempt to increase profits. And when that overpaid asshole realizes that he doesn’t actually have any ideas or other ways of impressing the board (which conveniently also consist of overpaid CEOs that think that desperately squeezing employees is the only way forward), shuffling around employees whose jobs he doesn’t understand in the slightest, becomes the way to seem actionable.

It’s far easier to get rid of an employee not doing their job, than it is to get rid of a delusional billionaire CEO or boardmember.

The real question is how do we get rid of these abysmal, low performing CEOs/boardmembers who hide behind idiotic ideas that fuck around with their employees lives or depend on exploiting people from poorer countries, to cover up their own ineptitude?

(And no, “shareholders” are just an effigy, conjured to represent private equity and geriatric pension funds, represented by a handful of investment bankers. It’s by definition a dysfunctional market, because the number of actors are tiny, and contained within the same industry. I mean, Adam Smith literally warned us about this…)

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What headlines have you been reading that make you think the many thousands of workers cut were all not tech talent?

There are stats you can find if you look for it. Something like 5-10% was made up of actual engineers. Large majority was sales, marketing, HR, product and design, recruiting, and finance. I've only seen stats for Google but assume it was similar at most other companies with the exception of Twitter.

Again, what stats? Because that doesn't appear to be the case at all according to [1].

But let's take your word for it since you didn't provide a source. Here's an actual hard number: 170,000 tech workers cut this year alone (plus more last year) [2]. Let's use your 5% lower bound. That's 9,000 engineers. I hope you'll agree that's a lot.

[1] https://www.vox.com/technology/2023/4/21/23692515/tech-worke...

[2] https://news.crunchbase.com/startups/tech-layoffs/

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What headlines have you been reading that make you think the many thousands of workers cut were all not tech talent?

Headlines say tech firms and imply engineers. Articles say it’s mostly the business folks at the tech firms.

Which articles? See my reply above.

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The important thing to realize is that “white” doesn’t mean everyone with “white” skin. Middle class kids from Ohio are “white,” and these race conscious programs and elimination of meritocracy hurts them. But the second or third generation Harvard folks aren’t functionally “white,” regardless of their skin color. Those folks will learn, through private schools and social capital, how to end up in top positions in th…

> But the second or third generation Harvard folks aren’t functionally “white,” regardless of their skin color. Genuine question, does this applies even when they are “white” (Caucasian white)? Why is that or is there a subtext I am missing?

Yes, because race is a social construct. “White” encompasses many unrelated groups, from descendants of people on the Mayflower to Italian immigrants. But when elite Yankees complain about “white” people, they don’t really mean themselves, they mean southern or Midwestern whites. Essentially, they’re “post white.”

Post-whites will do fine under the new system, because they have the cultural capital to navigate the new rules. They know how to write a “diversity statement” that gets them credit for some human rights whatever even though they trace their ancestry to Dutch colonists in New York. But the kids in Ohio won’t have that cultural capital and social connections. They are still “white.”

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English, and it's frustrating spending hours every day just being an English teacher to an engineer who writes at a 5th grade level. The problem with hiring too many H1Bs is they speak to each other in Chinese and thus take forever to become proficient at communicating with the rest of the company. Also,…

I find it interesting that H1B implies Indian or Chinese workers. As a South African I don't know why you don't hire more English speakers that would be H1Bs. I myself have tried to get an H1B and so far the door has been closed. It's been easier for me to move to a European country where I had to learn another language.

For quite a while, H1B had been almost exclusively for foreign graduates from American schools so the distribution of H1B workers is as same as the distribution of foreign students.

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> I want to work with people from my town Nobody forces you to work with people from across the world, quit your job and find one that only hires people from your town

Sounds impractical to me. In fact every company I've worked for is flooded with non-Americans. It would be tough to find a company that only hires Americans. I think a better solution is to end H-1B. Nobody is forcing people to come here.

> Nobody is forcing people to come here.

That's the whole point, that's why H1B is apparently still very popular. People will take lower salaries just to get to the US because they apparently want to move there at all cost and have a chance to stay.

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Comparing salaries for tech workers in the EU vs H1B in the US does not make a lot of sense. Cost of living, taxation, rents, electricity/gas bills and welfare are completely different.

Fresh of the boat immigrants are not entitled to welfare in Europe. Taxation and electricity/gas bills tend to lower in the US. Rent in Silicon Valley and NYC are definitely a lot higher than anywhere in Europe but those are not the only places with tech jobs.

> Rent in Silicon Valley and NYC are definitely a lot higher than anywhere in Europe

Salaries in SF and NYC for tech workers are way higher in those areas indeed. I would argue that that is probably the main reason why rents are so high, there's plenty of tech workers with stellar salaries willing to pay for a house.

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