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Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Generally not supposed to say this out loud, but being the only American on an all H1B team at these companies can be absolutely brutal. Very alienating, always missing out on back channel communications, no sympathy for missteps

Try being a highly skilled tech worker who happens to be female and getting a tech job when the screeners are all H1B guys.

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Yes and yes. People want to contribute, people want to work, the more people in the US the better off the US is, full stop.

You'd be fine with us going from a population of 3XX million to, say, 3 billion? I feel like there'd be a few problems with that. Can we annex other countries then? I'm not trying to be facetious; I genuinely don't understand how "immigrants good" translates to "literally anyone who is willing to work should be allowed and there won't be any logistical issues because why would there be".

A reductio isn’t going to work here, sorry.

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As general advice this is exagerated. You can match it yes, but quadrupling you need to be bringing something very special to the table. Unless you mean the arbitrage of doing this from different countries with more favourable tax/COL?

Of course it is. Everyone’s mileage will vary. Not everyone is cut out to be CEO of a consulting firm. As a solo consultant, you’ll be hard pressed to charge more than they could get a FTE. As a firm, well, Deloitte, Cognizant, Pearsons, Booz Allen, all started as a consultancy or professional services spin off. If you’re wondering how to be a consultant, you won’t get FAANG money. If you know how to be a consultant,…

Again a massive no true Scotsman stretch. GP asked if we could make FAANG money as a contractor and you claim four fold... If you have the network, money and sub-hire a bunch of people. Ok sure but then it's not a like for like comparison.

Most ppl in contracting are just interested in FTE work, with a better rate, tax framework, less office politics, etc. Very few want to go full Cognizant.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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It is not "reality" to claim that Americans would lose out if more immigrants came to the US.

I'm clearly not against immigrants because I don't like immigration. It's also not grounded in reality for you to say that Americans can support arbitrary numbers of immigrants because the economy will magically make things work out.

It absolutely is grounded in reality, because in reality billions of people wouldn’t move to the US. You’re trying to claim realism but then applying absurd hyperbole.

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I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English, and it's frustrating spending hours every day just being an English teacher to an engineer who writes at a 5th grade level. The problem with hiring too many H1Bs is they speak to each other in Chinese and thus take forever to become proficient at communicating with the rest of the company. Also,…

Interesting, isn't it considered impolite to speak in a language that someone in the group doesn't understand? When I was in Germany, Germans even texted their SO in English in case I glance over their phones. Maybe the group I was in was exceptionally welcoming but everywhere in Europe where I lived(EU, non-EU, UK etc.) it was always considered rude to speak a language that others don't understand and everyone alway…

I’m European, Dutchman specifically, and I find it mentally difficult, almost impossible sometimes, to not converse in English with a person I know does speak English. I used to work at a Dutch company with ~35 nationalities and me and my Dutch colleagues where often reminded by our non Dutch coworkers that they prefer us to continue water cooler conversation in Dutch and not switched to English when they joined in. For them this was a great way to learn more Dutch. Right now there is also a parent at my kids school who is Welsh, and even though he understands Dutch very well and prefers to speak it, everytime I approach him for a conversation the first sentence in my head is formed in English. I have to consciously switch to Dutch before starting the conversation. I don’t know what it is. Maybe it’s some genetic heritage from when our country was a big international trading nation?

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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I mean, no kidding. Half the people I work with are H-1B. The program takes jobs away from Americans and should be illegal. I want to work with people from my town, not people from halfway across the world.

These companies do business all over the world (read: take money away from other companies in those countries). I'm not sure why Google having a lot of people from other countries is bad if it makes money from those countries).

(Btw, I see your point and am not necessarily criticizing it. However, you do see that these companies operate globally and having the workforce reflect that should be considered ok?)

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As long as they’re able to switch job and can leave the states (if they want to) I don’t think that the “slavery” word applies at all. And I’m saying this because there are places like Dubai where you very often get your passport taken on arrival, can’t leave the state and can’t really go work somewhere else. There is a lot more to say, but that qualifies as “modern slavery”.

You're not really free to leave if you have to leave the country if you don't have a job lined up immediately.

You can secure another job before leaving the old one.
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