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Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Generally not supposed to say this out loud, but being the only American on an all H1B team at these companies can be absolutely brutal. Very alienating, always missing out on back channel communications, no sympathy for missteps

I'm sure that's how they feel too.

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As someone with some exposure to Chinese characters as a Japanese speaker, I’ve had the please to casually glance a WeChat group and realize some of the back channel Chinese from my teammates was joking about trying to get me fired. (Edit: my also Chinese manager dealt with it very well and that person left the company after some time)

I have a completely different experience. My (Indian) manager told me I couldn't be let go because it would make the team entirely Indian :) Apart from that, I found it much easier to work with H1B colleagues than with entitled and full of ego "native" Americans.

Yeah, the ego and entitlement of people living in their native country who can’t be sent back at a moment’s notice.

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I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English, and it's frustrating spending hours every day just being an English teacher to an engineer who writes at a 5th grade level. The problem with hiring too many H1Bs is they speak to each other in Chinese and thus take forever to become proficient at communicating with the rest of the company. Also,…

> I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English I am wondering how did they manage to pass the Google's hiring committee?

You can’t hire a bunch of people without lowering the bar. This is a big part of the reason why big tech doesn’t appeal to me. “We’ve got tens of thousands of the best of the best” sounds like weird delusional fetishism and I’d like to think that we are mostly past that now thank God. I see communication skills as a core competency, end of story. When you hire like crazy, standards slip, or you might forego one standard in favour of “engineering” capability, or whatever.

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post #284

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I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English, and it's frustrating spending hours every day just being an English teacher to an engineer who writes at a 5th grade level. The problem with hiring too many H1Bs is they speak to each other in Chinese and thus take forever to become proficient at communicating with the rest of the company. Also,…

> I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English I am wondering how did they manage to pass the Google's hiring committee?

Hiring committee never meets the candidate.

It's on the interviewer to mark communication difficulties. And I assume bad interviewers don't see English proficiency as important.

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The only scenario where this makes sense is if the "all H1B team" is all from the same country / speaks the same language. The issue is not "all H1B", it's the lack of diversity in the team.

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No. This is 100% just informed by your ideology. Enough said. Don’t peddle that here.

When people actually discuss the advantages of diversity in the workplace, the advantages exist due to actual diversity, not just “a non-white-male voice”.

You’ll no doubt cite some extreme view or vocal minority to justify making this assumption, but it is not what most people mean most of the time. You’re painting a false reality which I’ve got no doubt creates a feedback loop leaving you seething.

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You're now blatantly strawmaning. Nobody is talking about the value of a life or people being superior to others. We're discussing employment policies.

That’s exactly what is being discussed, even if you don’t realize what it is you’re saying. Americans are not more deserving of jobs than foreigners, Americans are not better than foreigners.

Americans are free to rule their country as they wish that is basically the premise it's founded on. Deserve means nothing in this context.

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I guess it’s not a good time to be a white male. I’m not one but it’s hard to ignore when in plain slight.

The important thing to realize is that “white” doesn’t mean everyone with “white” skin. Middle class kids from Ohio are “white,” and these race conscious programs and elimination of meritocracy hurts them. But the second or third generation Harvard folks aren’t functionally “white,” regardless of their skin color. Those folks will learn, through private schools and social capital, how to end up in top positions in this new economic structure, while they are joining in complaining about “white” people.

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I abhor any system that results in second hand citizens, such as the H1B program. It suppresses the general welfare, in service of capital. If I were able to, I'd give everyone in the program an immediate option for citizenship, and then cancel it. We clearly need to reform our immigration system.

H1Bs aren’t second hand citizens, and canceling the H1B program would trigger an immediate humanitarian crisis, not to mention completely shut off America’s main advantage in innovation; the idea that we don’t care where you’re from if you’re great at what you do.

How would it create a humanitarian crisis?!

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Double, triple, even quadruple

As general advice this is exagerated. You can match it yes, but quadrupling you need to be bringing something very special to the table. Unless you mean the arbitrage of doing this from different countries with more favourable tax/COL?

Of course it is. Everyone’s mileage will vary. Not everyone is cut out to be CEO of a consulting firm. As a solo consultant, you’ll be hard pressed to charge more than they could get a FTE. As a firm, well, Deloitte, Cognizant, Pearsons, Booz Allen, all started as a consultancy or professional services spin off.

If you’re wondering how to be a consultant, you won’t get FAANG money. If you know how to be a consultant, it’s a matter of finding the right clientele and/or hiring a sales rep for their clientele.

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Double, triple, even quadruple

Any guides on how to make multi millions per year as consultant?

Start a consultancy, start making money. There’s no hard guide. No playbook on how to succeed for you personally. It’s a business, just like any other. Treat it as a business. Not a job. Build it up. Network. Showcase. Charge slightly less than you would have. Hire more people to assist in the work. Compound your time. Compound your money.
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