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Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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I went for a haircut in the US once and I didn't know you were supposed to tip. I still remember the offended look on the barbers face when I held out my hand for my change. That was 20 years ago. Now days I don't care as much and just do my own with the clippers and save myself $40. Can you believe a hair cut at the barber costs $40 now here in Australia. You know you are getting old when everything seems shockingly…

> You know you are getting old when everything seems shockingly expensive. Or conversely you have vivid memories of how quickly the AUD, or USD or any fiat currency really has been so immensely rapidly inflated in the last 20 years; hell just in the last 3 years its been from tolerable to eye watering to get a haircut. I like my barber, she is the head stylist-owner and I don't mind paying nearly $50 (with tip), but…

> you have vivid memories of how quickly the AUD, or USD or any fiat currency really has been so immensely rapidly inflated in the last 20 years; hell just in the last 3 years

I actually think the last 20 years have had remarkably little inflation in the grand scheme of things, compared to the last 100 years, at least in the UK.

I first got interested in this just under 20 years ago when my mum said that my grandma's first house cost exactly £100, and at the time the property market was towards the end of a massive boom (and then was stagnant for about the next 10 years). At the time, her £100 house would have been worth somewhere around £100k, which got me thinking to how crazy that it could have increased a thousand fold. Looking at UK historical inflation rates, it was interesting that from 1900 until the mid 1980s, inflation was pretty constant at around 7% per year, which has the interesting side effect that when compounded, prices approximately double every decade.

Obviously, my data points are skewed towards the UK, but I suspect the US and Europe at least experienced similar effects, because of the ease of international trade, so any imbalances would be rapidly exploited by the market until they equalised. However, one data point I have from the US, which is a bit fuzzy in my recollection so it might be slightly off, was from reading Grapes of Wrath set in the 1930s Great Depression. IIRC the daily salary for a long day picking cotton was around 20 cents, so maybe the specific inflection points in the US timeline were different, but it seems to have followed a similar long-term inflation pattern when considered over several decades.

Things got weird in the UK, as the mid-late 80s had some unprecedented high inflation rates (I remember my parents paying 12% interest on our house at the time), followed by very low inflation for about a decade (the UK government was targetting 2%), which led to a lot of surplus money around, easy borrowing for industry, and ultimately a massive rise in house prices in the early 2000s (and I was interested then because I was trying to buy my first home, and for example where I was looking house prices rose 50% in 2003 alone). Since then, we've had unprecedentedly low interest rates (nearly zero) leading to quite low inflation for a couple of decades.

What's interesting now though is that people are seeing "high" interest rates of 5% and panicking because younger buyers now have only ever experienced relatively low interest and inflation rates, but actually if you consider a longer time frame, the last 20 years with its sudden inflation spurt then prolonged price stagnation and now "high" inflation again, it's probably on average bringing us back to that average of 7% that we saw over a longer period.

Another thing that's really interesting is when and why inflation started happening, sometime around the 15th and 16th centuries, when people started speculatively investing in companies. Prior to that, prices of commodities and housing had been rather static for quite a few centuries.

There are lots of fascinating articles online about medieval prices, e.g. https://blog.datawrapper.de/medieval-prices-wages/

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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Most of the year, I live in a midwestern suburb: 1/3rd of an acre lots as far as the eye can see. I go on a walk every day, but it's rare that I ever actually see a human being during said walk: Everyone is cooped up in their houses. In practice, in most of this suburban life, every bit of human interaction is planned. We drive to commerce, and there we are met by workers with constantly changing schedules, who have…

Great observation. The lack of density and weather unsuitable for walking is a big factor I’ve noticed as well

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I once traveled (for work) with a Dutch guy that was a few years older. He loved to travel and loved interacting with people, even though he was not the best bespoken. In an aeroplane, he randomly spoke to people, asked interesting questions and people were generally nice to him. When I saw this, I thought, this is what I want -- speak to any person\stranger without having to overcome any fear.

And my wish appeared to be strong enough, after a while i became a person who will talk to almost anybody at any place. It feels liberating.

However, like with so many things in life, it has a flip side, it comes with disadvantages. Sometimes I get feedback that I am too forthcoming. Also, I get disappointed sometimes. In the q at the bakery, people are often saying nothing, staring at their phone screen (mostly the younger people). So i open up a conversation, people are waiting anyways. Almost each time i have the first and the last word, which feels awkward. Also, i have the feeling that younger people often have a lack of interacting skills, when it is in-person, they seem to be uncomfortable. So talking to them can give an awkward feeling in the end.

Maybe some people recognize this and could give advice?

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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We live in a mid sized city in the midwest, typical city block with single family homes. Folks keep to themselves a bit - not everyone, but enough that you have to make an effort to connect with neighbors. My son and I had the idea that we should just organize a block party. I think this was in early 2021 after covid was letting up a bit. He was 7 years old and said we should get a food truck to come. So that's what…

Sometimes the creativity and passion of a child can just completely shake up the doldrums of being an adult! Thanks for sharing this.

Let's not forget to praise the adult here for seeing possibilities, instead of impossibilities, either! Plenty of parents would find plenty of reasons why such a thing would be impossible.

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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We got a small, older dog a couple years ago, mostly for my wife. She has health issues and can't walk the dog, so it fell on me. At first I was kind of resentful. The dog is ponderous and doesn't really take direction much, and I'm way too short on free time. Well, I've lived in the neighborhood for ten years and only when I started walking the dog did I start meeting a bunch of people in the neighborhood. I still w…

Walking the dog is sort of the meat space version of having an article to discuss online. It facilitates having a thing to talk about, to politely bond over without being overly personal, an excuse for the interaction so you don't sound like a creepy stalker for talking to a stranger for no reason.

You're sort of forced into it too. The only thing more awkward than striking up conversation with a stranger is not striking up a conversation while your dogs are busy sniffing eachothers butts.

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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HN is a social community too. So are other online forums, discord chat groups, mailing lists, gaming communities, open source communities, etc. People are driven to social interaction, whether virtual or in-person. I don't know what is the big deal in acknowledging that.

That may be technically true, but is really just an implementation detail. If HN quietly replaced all the accounts with suitably capable LLM bots, it wouldn't make any difference. What this type of service really has on offer is solitary activity: Writing for one's own enjoyment, differing from a private journal only in that the software here provides some colour back to spark additional thoughts in order avoid write…

"It wouldn't make a difference" - To whom? And how do you know? Even if a bot passes the Turing test, a community where there isn't any creativity or new information will die out. LLM is not the be all and end all of the human experience.

To take it further. even if we were all in the matrix, the statement "it wouldn't make a difference" is not true - philosophically speaking.

Also, humans have a circular reference with society at-large. Humans shape society, and society shapes humans. So something completely different might shape future societies, but I'd rather discuss the situation as it exists today, rather than an imagined future.

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As a kid, I had extreme social anxiety. I had a hard time talking to people and making friends. I never felt like I “belonged.” As an adult, I still have crippling social anxiety. I can’t speak for everywhere, I’m pretty much only in the U.S., but I’ve noticed that most fellow adults I come across are chronically deprived of social interaction. My social anxiety doesn’t actually matter. Me being awkward, and weird, a…

Dale Carnegie approves.

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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> in very rural areas you quickly realize that your neighbors are your safety net far more than the authorities Unless you are non-white, an immigrant, LGBTQ, neurodivergent, etc...

It's a bit odd to make such a blanket statement for people living in rural areas all over the world. These are "my peeps" and we're not any of those things.

It's not about you or "your peeps" but rather about the repressive laws (and predominant culture which gives rise to such laws) in these places.

I was specifically talking about rural areas in the US, since HN is predominantly a US-centric website, but my argument applies to other countries as well.

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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Why would an introvert be more likely to have a heart attack from being alone? People stress me out so much. I imagine less stress would lead to fewer heart attacks.

Seriously? I'm going to copy the parent's comment in full: > "Loners are probably much more likely to die of say, having a heart attack and not receiving help promptly." On the other hand, loners won't get a heart attack caused by other people ..

You die anyway at some point. Not sure what this obsession about maximizing lifetime is about. I rather live like I prefer to and when I die I won't care anymore anyway.

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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If you are unhappy, does starting to greet your neighbor makes your happier? Or is it the other way around, when you are happy you greet your neighbor. This sounds like a "one little weird trick to boost your happiness: greet six neighbors." The important factors are the other things: having a high income, living in a good neighborhood, and and being a good community member. These increase your wellbeing, then of cou…

I must say I never had this train of thought. Whether I'm unhappy or happy I greet my neighbor as it is just common courtesy.
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