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PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Wow ... that sounds a lot like Spyware.

This is not surprising. Intel did things like ME in the past. The days where you bought the hardware and had full control over it are long gone imho

They're still doing ME are they not?

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Tree structures are terrible design, yes. They shouldn't teach trees in computer science. Everything should be flat. Just like the Earth. I love watching Linux stay stuck on design choices from 1970 because to change the interface now would cause the operating system to implode and the resulting riot would exceed even the asspain over systemd

Some of those design choices are pretty good, they stick around for good reason. Everything is a file/chaining together tiny commands/text-based configuration files are computing zen for a large portion of users. A lot of text config now has way more documentation -- right there above the freaking setting! -- than a Windows design analogy could ever cram into (never-used) help files. The majority of config I deal wit…

So what happens if you accidentally delete the comment in the text config? There's a parser that generates an error and recovers from there? Or it's just gone? LOL.

Do you know how annoying it is to have to go into etc/netbeans.conf, scroll all the way down, then find the JDK path from somewhere else and paste it in the quotes after netbeans_jdkhome= just to get Netbeans to run? That's not computing zen! It's the reason nobody uses Netbeans -- old, bad design.

The more people use your help files, the more you know your program sucks. This is not disputable. This is why Linux requires a literal support group called LUG.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Linux is great! And, thanks to Steam, a lot of games wirk as well. Not all, but most. Ubuntu, I haven't tried anything else so far, is a charm on Lenovo hardware. Update wise, it is were Windows was a couple of years ago. Meaning there are random updates that just kill and break certain functions. Happened last week, everything was running fine, including steam, as it always did. Until an update managed to delete the…

It would be great if Linux had some automatic checkpoints so you can revert to a working system after an update. So many times updates leave a broken system and re-install Ubuntu from scratch is quicker than fixing the problem.

I haven't had that happen for a few years now... I will say the RX 5700 XT had a really rough few months after launch on Linux. Other than that, it's been relatively smooth.

Mostly been using PopOS and Ubuntu-Budgie.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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> Everything just works No it doesn't. Every Linux desktop requires me to spend hours tweaking things or finding workarounds to make it usable for myself. Window management is horrible compared to other OS. Fractional scaling mostly doesn't work. The Pomodoro timer in the "Software" store is no longer maintained and doesn't work at all on the latest Gnome. (Windows 11 has it built-in). Even so, I have to live with ce…

People are acting like Linus Sebastian and that other guy didn't JUST RECENTLY demonstrate Linux to still be a tough sell to non-linux gurus for daily driving.

He deliberately shitcanned his system to generate clicks. What are people going to say if an uppity linux fanboy youtuber shows himself deleting system32 and then crying about Windows is unusable for non-Windows gurus for daily driving? They're going to say he's an idiot and move on.

When I instruct my package manager to uninstall your desktop environment, and the package manager says, "You are about to delete critical system components. Are you sure? (yes/no)" and I type in "yes" I expect my package manager to uninstall the desktop environment. That is the correct thing for it to do. Anything else is the wrong thing to do.

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." -Douglas Adams

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

>> Everything works. I'm a video games developer. Neither PS5, Xbox nor Switch toolchains work under linux - not to mention that actual proper Visual Studio doesn't and that alone is worth staying on windows for. For playing games though - sure, Linux is already great. Steam Deck proves that by playing pretty much everything flawlessly.

There are plenty of niches that use proprietary tools that don't work across platforms.

I don't think that's a fair criticism of the platform 'working'. That's just status quo / profit maximizing on the part of the tool selectors and developers.

Linux works very well with regards to hardware.

Calling out microsoft tools like visual studio as proof linux doesn't work is sort of dumb. It's a tool that targets windows (mostly) written by the developers that sell windows.

You don't have to look very hard for a world class c/c++ tool chain on linux.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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To be pedantic It's impossible for "Linux" to have this as this exists way higher than the kernel or even the filesystem layer. Linux mint has timeshift. The now defunct Project Trident installer set up a zfs root with zfsbootmenu and an update script that automatically sets up a boot environment you can revert and boot from with the built in feature of zfsbootmenu. Both let you achieve your goal. You can set up eith…

A lot of comments here say Timeshift is crap - do you find it helpful yourself and can you elaborate on what works / doesn't? https://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/timeshift

I have not personally used timeshift. I have used zfsbootmenu and syncoid found it useful and fit for purpose. Personally I think its more reasonable to separate boot environments from backing up as they are two separate if related concerns. EG boot environments are for when something went wrong with an update and backups are for when your drive failed. If both went wrong you just do both operations in sequence restore from backup and THEN pick the prior boot environment and make it the default.

Insofar as timeshift consider the review source, circumstances, and nature of complaints. Users who don't have difficulties rarely post anything and yet many reviews are positive. Those that aren't seem to focus on people who didn't realize they could provide a secondary drive and just kept storing data until their OS drive filled up.

Mint leans heavily towards technically incompetent users and yet many people were able to use it successfully. Meeting every users needs no matter how incapable is probably a poor benchmark to define if somethings is "crap" or not even if those users problems are are a great guideline to a path forward to helping all users better.

For instance it might be better if timeshift only supported a fs with snapshots instead of rsync and required a secondary disk and warned of space issues long before the disk fills up but it seems quite possible to competently use it right now.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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The “year of the desktop” implies a solution for consumers, not professionals. That being said for almost every other kind of development Linux is by far the best platform. I cannot develop on Mac anymore due to Apple making things more difficult in every update.

Package managers are useless for getting the latest maven, gradle, or ant version. This in combination with there being multiple poorly-documented ways to set environment variables and there being no GUI for any of them means that setting up for Java development is massively worse than Windows the instant you step outside of your IDE.

> Package managers are useless for getting the latest maven, gradle, or ant version.

My package manager has the latest versions of maven and gradle. Ant is behind; upstream is up to 1.10.13 but my package manager only has 1.10.9.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Package managers are useless for getting the latest maven, gradle, or ant version. This in combination with there being multiple poorly-documented ways to set environment variables and there being no GUI for any of them means that setting up for Java development is massively worse than Windows the instant you step outside of your IDE.

> Package managers are useless for getting the latest maven, gradle, or ant version. My package manager has the latest versions of maven and gradle. Ant is behind; upstream is up to 1.10.13 but my package manager only has 1.10.9.

did you have to enter some magic string like ppa:chien that literally no one would ever know

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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It's definitely worth a whirl! Some anti-cheats are more effective at catching this than others. I was using this as my method of 'Gaming on Linux' until Proton became a thing. Lots of experience, indeed, though my memory hasn't aged particularly well. I even had SLi working with two RTX2080s! Hacked drivers and EFIGuard to bypass security things Valorant was the one game I couldn't really manage. Perhaps with more d…

> Lots of experience, indeed, though my memory hasn't aged particularly well. That's kind of hilarious because my aging thing is manifesting itself in making me unable to play more complicated games. Like, I wish I could get into dwarf fortress or the new baldur's gate but always feel fried and opt for a round of call of duty (and now diablo 4). Those games are require 0 reading, it's all instinct and nothing in the…

Don't worry, you're not alone! I have the same 'aging problem'

Though... I suspect it's a compound issue. Work is draining! Mindless fun is all I can handle, too :D

Kernel level anti-cheat is indeed the bane of Proton. Fortunately, VFIO can help there - giving a full trusty Windows kernel.

I long for a future where 'we' collectively reject these. I believe there are less-technically-invasive methods for dealing with cheaters than... essentially writing a driver and creating attack surface area.

NixOS should indeed - forcing you to write things down as you go!

I'm partial to Ansible for this, personally. You can automate quite a lot with it - there's a very healthy ecosystem of modules for almost anything you could imagine

If written well, it will work on any distribution. It's a fun challenge/art

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Microsoft has really poisoned the well with default-always-on-telemetry. Technical solutions (firewalls, switching to Linux, etc.) aren't necessarily practical for many people. > the ideal solution is one where corporations do not or are not allowed to collect telemetry by default This is probably the only effective solution, but I don't see it happening without enforceable legislation.

I think TV manufacturers don't help either.

Needing an firewall (both incoming and outgoing) for your TV isn't something I would have predicted a few years ago.

At least "monitors" don't seem to have telemetry. Yet.

Who knew that companies would use 1984 as a product roadmap.

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