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PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by iraqmtpizza »

blueflow wrote: post #278
iraqmtpizza wrote: post #277

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As I said, poorly documented. In fact, there is no defensible reason why they all need to exist. And I didn't understand anything you said after and including bourne shell. I don't know if Windows has any documentation for its environment variables program, but I have never needed documentation for it because it's not brain dead. It's a GUI. An interface which is self-documenting.

> An interface which is self-documenting. I wanna see you find the right dialogue windows in the control panel. Would you know how to enable/disable IPv6 from your head?

I have a GUI which has a checkbox for IPv4 and a checkbox for IPv6. Checkboxes are self-explanatory. And if I hover over them they say something like "Use servers reachable over IPv6 (do not enable if you don't have IPv6 connectivity)". And yes I didn't have to look up how to do that. It's staring me in the face every time I open the program.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by iraqmtpizza »

pdntspa wrote: post #289
iraqmtpizza wrote: post #270

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linux bros think CLI is required for everything but they don't realize that it's only required for everything in linux

yeah because clicking through half a dozen nested dialogs to change my DNS settings is good fucking design Or even better, for many things the option doesn't exist any more? Why? Because fuck you thats why! I just LOVE watching Windows take away features because some normie asshole decided options were bad for usability and testing. Typing this on my Windows daily driver, btw. And I have to drop into CLI on a pretty…

Tree structures are terrible design, yes. They shouldn't teach trees in computer science. Everything should be flat. Just like the Earth.

I love watching Linux stay stuck on design choices from 1970 because to change the interface now would cause the operating system to implode and the resulting riot would exceed even the asspain over systemd

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by nottorp »

danaris wrote: post #243
nottorp wrote: post #97

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It's the pressure for growth. Who started this trend of rewarding shareholders through share price increase instead of dividends? Was it Apple? Some entity in an unrelated market 50 years before Apple?

....Where did Apple come into this? The origin of the pressure is likely a shift from shareholders being primarily people who want to hold onto a given stock for many years, and be rewarded through dividends, to being primarily financially-oriented institutions who want to buy low and sell high constantly.

I just have a faint idea Apple is one of the first tech companies that never paid dividends.

And yes, that was my point.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by nottorp »

danaris wrote: post #235
nottorp wrote: post #94

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Well let's ask HN: How many of us click accept on those annoying cookie dialogs or have an extension do it for them? And how many take the time to find the reject button and/or install appropriate extensions that will do the rejection? I'm in the second category but I'm sure the first one is the majority, mostly because they just don't care.

"I have resigned myself to everything insisting on taking as much of my personal data as it can possibly manage, and have already been worn down too much by so many years of trying to navigate it in ways that protect myself, so now I just sadly click accept so that I can get on with my life" is not the same as "I support the right of companies of all types and sizes to take all of my data to do whatever they want wit…

I personally know one person that simply doesn't care. They're not all resigned, I think.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by nottorp »

gambiting wrote: post #199
nottorp wrote: post #88

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But you can only use it to write Windows software? Unless you mean VSCode which is cross platform.

I'm a games developer - PS5/Xbox/Switch have excellent VS integration. And yes I mean the full fat VS.

Oh I didn't know that. Those versions aren't accessible for us plebs :)

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by adambatkin »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #256
screamingninja wrote: post #124

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Please correct me if I am wrong, but is this not a straw man argument? > spending 6 months learning the nomenclature and structure of linux > become a proper user Care to elaborate? My parents have been using Ubuntu successfully for over a decade now for "email and youtube". They do not even know what a CLI is. What are you trying to accomplish that does not work out of the box?

Troubleshoot network issues using a GUI. That's the thing, linux is great for linux power users and absolute hands off users. Its terrible for people in the middle, and hence why it cannot get the ball rolling towards adoption for 30 year now. There are tons of tech literate people who know what a problem is, know what the fix is, but do not want to deal with climbing through forum posts and documentation to figure o…

Debugging and troubleshooting a networking problem is approximately the same on Windows vs Linux (except that there are additional powerful tools available built-in to most Linux distributions). Which is to say that anything non-trivial likely needs a command line. Windows does have some graphical network troubleshooter thing, and I've let it do it's thing a few times, and it has never done anything (at least nothing noticable).

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by throw_m239339 »

jltsiren wrote: post #239
throw_m239339 wrote: post #214

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> The guards at Auschwitz were not there to make business decisions for the country as a whole, just there to guard the camp, so they didn't have to feel bad about the human ash landing on their clothes every day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law No need to say that how easy it is to brush off that kind of argumentation for the fallacy it is.

Godwin's law does not mean that any comparison involving Nazis is automatically a fallacy. In this case, it was a relevant comparison. Court cases involving former concentration camp staff have established that "I just work here" is not a particularly strong defense. If your work enables harmful actions, and if you are aware of it, you may be found responsible for the consequences. Even if you don't participate direc…

> In this case, it was a relevant comparison. Court cases involving former concentration camp staff have established that "I just work here" is not a particularly strong defense. If your work enables harmful actions, and if you are aware of it, you may be found responsible for the consequences. Even if you don't participate directly in it. Even if you could face adverse consequences (including death) for refusing to do your job. And even if someone else would likely just take your place.

No it wasn't a relevant comparison, no genocide is happening because someone turned on telemetry by default, this is completely unhinged.

If you're so outraged by all this then you should give these engineers alternative opportunities of work that don't involve telemetry. Can you do that?

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by someNameIG »

okanat wrote: post #232
bee_rider wrote: post #170

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I think they must mean legacy visual studio, rather than VSCode. VSCode is of course very portable. It also seems to be Microsoft’s (successful) attempt to get everybody to use a reasonable Linux-style workfow. If you look at it as a text editor and terminal in a tiling window manager, it suddenly makes sense that it became so popular.

There is nothing legacy about Visual Studio. There is simply no equivalent of its debugging and profiling capabilities in C++ and C# especially in graphics / game development. No such equivalent exist in Unix world including macOS. They set the bar.

I've never tried it but does anyone know how C/C++ development is in Xcode?

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by qwytw »

postmodest wrote: post #106
Workaccount2 wrote: post #96

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The worst thing about linux is that it is made an maintained by people who like linux. I would love more than anything to see a paid fork of linux whose goal was to make a power user friendly user OS that never needs to pull up a CLI. People will come out of woodwork here to suggest whatever shitty half-assed CLI wrapper enviroment. No. No. No. They suck. I have been using them on and off for 20 years. Including righ…

There is a FreeBSD fork that does exactly that, but to use it you need to buy a $3000 hardware dongle.... That's the path a lot of Mac Users are on, though we also have a telemetry problem; the only advantage is that it stays "in house".

> FreeBSD fork

Isn't NeXTSTEP quite a bit older than FreeBSD?

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