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PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by wnoise »

hardware2win wrote: post #189
JohnFen wrote: post #129

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Telemetry is wrong if it's happening without my informed consent. What data is being collected doesn't affect that. If you're collecting data about me, my machine, or my use of my machine without my informed consent, you are spying.

>If you're collecting data about me, my machine, or my use of my machine without my informed consent, you are spying. What if I collect data about the way you use my software? As a dev im using telemetry to provide better product for my users

Just because spying is useful for someone doesn't make it not spying.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by matheusmoreira »

gambiting wrote: post #79
inktype wrote: post #31

Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

>> Everything works. I'm a video games developer. Neither PS5, Xbox nor Switch toolchains work under linux - not to mention that actual proper Visual Studio doesn't and that alone is worth staying on windows for. For playing games though - sure, Linux is already great. Steam Deck proves that by playing pretty much everything flawlessly.

You should demand Linux software from Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by 72deluxe »

slackfan wrote: post #135
inktype wrote: post #31

Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

KDE has been getting progressively worse and less usable since 3.5.

So refreshing to see someone else who revels in the nostalgia of 3.5!

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by throw_m239339 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #185
throw_m239339 wrote: post #63

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> How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed? These aren't engineering decisions but marketing ones. The role of an engineer is to engineer a solution, not make business decisions. The decision to turn telemetry on by default was not taken by an engineer, so engineers at intel shouldn't feel ashamed of anything at first place.

The guards at Auschwitz were not there to make business decisions for the country as a whole, just there to guard the camp, so they didn't have to feel bad about the human ash landing on their clothes every day.

> The guards at Auschwitz were not there to make business decisions for the country as a whole, just there to guard the camp, so they didn't have to feel bad about the human ash landing on their clothes every day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

No need to say that how easy it is to brush off that kind of argumentation for the fallacy it is.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by parenthesis »

prmoustache wrote: post #197
qwertox wrote: post #87

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Also good luck in convincing Native Instruments and other musical instrument developers to also compile their plug-ins for Linux.

Native Instruments is dying anyway.

As a company, or in your opinion of their products?

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

o1y32 wrote: post #153
inktype wrote: post #31

Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

> Everything just works No it doesn't. Every Linux desktop requires me to spend hours tweaking things or finding workarounds to make it usable for myself. Window management is horrible compared to other OS. Fractional scaling mostly doesn't work. The Pomodoro timer in the "Software" store is no longer maintained and doesn't work at all on the latest Gnome. (Windows 11 has it built-in). Even so, I have to live with ce…

It takes me days to make Windows usable for myself by hosing all the garbage off it. And it's still a miserable experience. On the other hand, if I just install a batteries included Linux distro I get something I'm not necessarily thrilled about, but I can go pretty much straight to work. And if I spend a few days, I can set up a system that's exactly tailored the way I want it to be, eats an order of magnitude less RAM than Windows, and doesn't regularly break itself by forcing updates on me, changing settings from under me, etc.

MacOS is somewhat better than Windows(less garbage to hose off), but it's not worth the money of buying the overpriced unrepairable and unupgradeable hardware it runs on.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by throw_m239339 »

pixxel wrote: post #203
throw_m239339 wrote: post #119

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> And this lack of accountability is exactly why our world is the way it is. Just remember anyone can justify evil behavior if they try hard enough. Why? because people are not basically good by nature. They are basically evil by nature. Observe any 2-3 year old throwing a fit and you might begin to grasp the concept. There is no "lack of accountability" anywhere in that story. Nothing done here was illegal, nor "evi…

All you’re doing here is revealing your lack of ethics with regard to this topic.

> All you’re doing here is revealing your lack of ethics with regard to this topic.

No argument, resorts to personal attacks.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by tredre3 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #166
erwincoumans wrote: post #156

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It would be great if Linux had some automatic checkpoints so you can revert to a working system after an update. So many times updates leave a broken system and re-install Ubuntu from scratch is quicker than fixing the problem.

Bootable snapshots are a thing, also known as boot environments. You need to use ZFS or btrfs, or possibly bcachefs or LVM offer them. And they never have seemed to have a great implementation on Linux compared FreeBSD, but they do exist.

> but they do exist.

And here's the crux of it, isn't it? Unless it's accessible and enabled by default, it might as well not exist from the PoV of the end user.

Windows' restore points happen automatically before updates or driver updates. Then you're prompted automatically to restore if Windows fails to boot after an update.

As usual Linux has all the pieces but no desire to create UX to go with it. Which is a shame because ZFS with automatic snapshotting daily or before major events combined with a simple UI that can run in the preboot environment would be a game changer and make Windows look like a toy.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by BizarroLand »

ryandrake wrote: post #200
karaterobot wrote: post #155

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> To accomplish this, we would like your permission to collect, use, and combine information Oh man, they left a typo in there. Did anybody catch it? They use the word 'permission' when this is actually selected by default for all users who install their drivers. Hey, that's not how you ask for permission! I would love to see the look on their faces when they realize this mistake.

In general, Silicon Valley has a huge problem with / misunderstanding of things like "permission" and "consent." If computing was like dating, Silicon Valley would be a creepy guy in the nightclub constantly telling women: "We are now dating. Do you want to dance? [Yes] [Ask Again Later]"

They'd be more like the guy who sees a girl at a bar who he works with, roofies her, takes her home, and then doesn't do anything to her but makes sure she knows that he *could* have, isn't he such a nice guy?

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by netbioserror »

hardware2win wrote: post #187
netbioserror wrote: post #144

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People defending telemetry just because they deem it "reasonable" are tiring as hell. Collecting the categories of websites I visit violates my privacy, full stop, end of discussion.

So did you just agree with me?

Depends on your definition of "reasonable".
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