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PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by ceroxylon »

sleepingthom wrote: post #113
qwertox wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also good luck in convincing Native Instruments and other musical instrument developers to also compile their plug-ins for Linux.

Do VSTs not work on Linux? I'm not being obtuse, I am in a situation where I'm about to build a new PC for writing / recording music and I saw that Reaper is supported in Linux, but was not sure about VST plugin support.

Check out LMMS [0], I just found it yesterday to run VSTs, I normally stay away from them and just needed a minimal VST host for one I couldn't resist, and I was blown away at what it could do for free. Between that and the synth Surge XT [1] (another free and open source project), you can make any sound you would want to, and use either the sequencer on LMMS or an external hardware sequencer (yes, USB MIDI works, even Bluetooth MIDI).

[0] https://lmms.io/ [1] https://surge-synthesizer.github.io/

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by mrguyorama »

o1y32 wrote: post #153
inktype wrote: post #31

Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

> Everything just works No it doesn't. Every Linux desktop requires me to spend hours tweaking things or finding workarounds to make it usable for myself. Window management is horrible compared to other OS. Fractional scaling mostly doesn't work. The Pomodoro timer in the "Software" store is no longer maintained and doesn't work at all on the latest Gnome. (Windows 11 has it built-in). Even so, I have to live with ce…

People are acting like Linus Sebastian and that other guy didn't JUST RECENTLY demonstrate Linux to still be a tough sell to non-linux gurus for daily driving.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by justinclift »

erwincoumans wrote: post #156
hef19898 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux is great! And, thanks to Steam, a lot of games wirk as well. Not all, but most. Ubuntu, I haven't tried anything else so far, is a charm on Lenovo hardware. Update wise, it is were Windows was a couple of years ago. Meaning there are random updates that just kill and break certain functions. Happened last week, everything was running fine, including steam, as it always did. Until an update managed to delete the…

It would be great if Linux had some automatic checkpoints so you can revert to a working system after an update. So many times updates leave a broken system and re-install Ubuntu from scratch is quicker than fixing the problem.

Some Linux distros actually do this. :)

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by anigbrowl »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #160
ginko wrote: post #9

How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed? For the record: I'm a graphics driver engineer myself.

Oh, I feel ashamed, but that doesn't stop me. I put considerable thought into the ethics of storing data and letting that data get inaccurate and harming people. Same with providing that information to people whose goals actively cause harm. But I'm here for the war, not the individual battles. I raise objections and sometimes I can make a difference. This is one I'm going to lose most of the time. So I say my bit an…

Who are the parties in this war? It sounds like it's you v. everyone else.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by mrguyorama »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #63
ginko wrote: post #9

How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed? For the record: I'm a graphics driver engineer myself.

> How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed? These aren't engineering decisions but marketing ones. The role of an engineer is to engineer a solution, not make business decisions. The decision to turn telemetry on by default was not taken by an engineer, so engineers at intel shouldn't feel ashamed of anything at first place.

The guards at Auschwitz were not there to make business decisions for the country as a whole, just there to guard the camp, so they didn't have to feel bad about the human ash landing on their clothes every day.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by sockaddr »

inktype wrote: post #31

Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!

Agreed. It is the year of the linux desktop. I installed Pop OS and everything works great right out of the box. It's now good enough that I could install it on my mom's computer.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by hardware2win »

netbioserror wrote: post #144
hardware2win wrote: post #69

People hating telemetry just because it is telemetry are tiring as hell. Blame telemetry for collection of unreasonable stuff, not for collecting data that is valuable for software improvement and doesnt violate privacy.

People defending telemetry just because they deem it "reasonable" are tiring as hell. Collecting the categories of websites I visit violates my privacy, full stop, end of discussion.

So did you just agree with me?

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by qwertox »

sleepingthom wrote: post #113
qwertox wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also good luck in convincing Native Instruments and other musical instrument developers to also compile their plug-ins for Linux.

Do VSTs not work on Linux? I'm not being obtuse, I am in a situation where I'm about to build a new PC for writing / recording music and I saw that Reaper is supported in Linux, but was not sure about VST plugin support.

For what it's worth, Bitwig Studio also works on Linux.

The issue with most professional VST plug-ins is mainly the UI which is not compatible with Linux.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by hardware2win »

JohnFen wrote: post #129
hardware2win wrote: post #69

People hating telemetry just because it is telemetry are tiring as hell. Blame telemetry for collection of unreasonable stuff, not for collecting data that is valuable for software improvement and doesnt violate privacy.

Telemetry is wrong if it's happening without my informed consent. What data is being collected doesn't affect that. If you're collecting data about me, my machine, or my use of my machine without my informed consent, you are spying.

>If you're collecting data about me, my machine, or my use of my machine without my informed consent, you are spying.

What if I collect data about the way you use my software?

As a dev im using telemetry to provide better product for my users

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by SomeRndName11 »

marcosdumay wrote: post #105
royal_ts wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KDE is great but also very, very buggy. I'm using it since 2016 and some bugs just won't go away and good luck with openeing a bug report - nobody will care. Especially multi monitor support just isn't good. Multi window support is also, by default, not as good as Windows does it. Sicne a few updates I'm getting some polciykit errors everytime I'm doing anything session related just because - I have not found a solut…

Debian (stable) user here. I'm also scratching my head trying to understand what bugs you find on KDE. Or what kind of multi-monitor or window behavior you have a problem with when compared to Windows. (Isn't the default window behavior basically equal to Windows? I have never notice a difference in anything that I didn't change myself.) I too think you were unlucky on your combination of hardware-distro-setup in som…

HiDPI is not perfect neither in KDE (arguably, better situation)not in Gnome, compared to Win 11. When your enable scaling, window's context menu (left click on menu) is not scaled in debian 12 and Ubuntu, irrespective of environment variables (PLASMA_USE_QT_SCALING=1 and such). In Wayland (which solves many scaling problems) KDE renders fonts blurrier than in X11. For many it is not a big deal, but not is not acceptible for me. Gnome apps are not properly caled unless the scale is bigger than 175%, and then they are too big (overscaled).

I still use KDE though.

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