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Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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I think that's the future with AGI - no more paychecks. What will happen when the cost of every service is zero since it's been delegated to machines?

'every' is pretty bold. the group that is in trouble is those who bs lots, GPT Today can bs much better.

But what about a BSer that is working in conjunction with ChatGPT? That is BS^2, and that is hard to beat...

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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But it is saying that your customer content may be used for training AI, in 10.4: > 10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use…

> You agree to grant and hereby grant I get that legalese is like human-interpretable pseudocode, but like, is there really no better way to word this? How can you grant without agreeing to grant? > import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, copy, distribute, translate, transcribe, create derivative works Wow this cover of Daft Punk - Technologic…

>> You agree to grant and hereby grant

"Hereby grant" means the grant is (supposedly) immediately effective even for future-arising rights — and thus would take precedence (again, supposedly) over an agreement to grant the same rights in the future. [0]

(In the late oughts, this principle resulted in the biotech company Roche Molecular becoming a part-owner of a Stanford patent, because a Stanford researcher signed a "visitor NDA" with Roche that included present-assignment language, whereas the researcher's previous agreement with Stanford included only future-assignment language. The Stanford-Roche lawsuit on that subject went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.)

[0] https://toedtclassnotes.site44.com/Notes-on-Contract-Draftin...

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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One of my doctors uses Zoom for tele-health appointments... How is this not a violation of HIPAA?

I am not a lawyer, but https://explore.zoom.us/docs/doc/Zoom-hipaa.pdf reads like as long as they don't disclose your information, they aren't in violation.

If they generate an AI model based on your data and allow anyone else to use that model, you should assume that the user will also be able to query data about you.

So really it all hinges on if the AI is only used in house, or if it is accessible by the general public.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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post #56

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We use Google Meet at our company for everything including external client and vendor calls. Not to say Google has the best track record with privacy… but its feature set is on par with Zoom in most areas (I personally like it because it’s 100% sandboxed in the browser)

How does it work for larger meetings? At the start of Covid I had to check many options, and while for many use-cases Google Meet was most convenient, it started to work poorly if there were a bunch of people connected, so I used Google Meet for calls with 2 (or 3) people and something else (e.g. Zoom) for anything larger.

I have a group of 20 people I meet with every work day over Google Meet. No trouble or complaints.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

But seriously, it gets awkward when you can ask the model, "what is the likelihood that this project we are discussing is successful?" and the model responds "this project will most likely be cancelled due to the fact that the last three initiatives like this were cancelled and the current project manager appears to be disinterested earlier in the project than last time"

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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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I am yet to find a modern video chat that isn't draining the battery of any laptop. From old Xeons, to fairly recent Ryzen and even M1/2 Macs. It's a bit puzzling, actually. I don't think Skype and TeamSpeak had the same effect on computers back in the day. Just how much local processing are they doing these days? It's crazy

It's most likely due to the fact they are all electron apps rather than they are doing "something".

Hardware decoding is also an issue.. as in, not being used. Old webcams used to do h.264 encoding in hardware. Encoding has since now moved to the CPU which may or may not be fine.. the next issue becomes the codec chosen.. most stuff all has h.264 decoding in hardware.. but it's not being used anymore.. instead they're trying to use vp09 or h.265 or av1 which in many cases requires CPU-based software encoding and decoding.. so the fans rev up like turbines.

I feel certain the reason this is happening is because some middle-manager terrorist in a boardroom said "use this codec it won't require as much network data usage! value for the shareholder!" without asking first whether hardware encoding is beneficial even if there's a bit more network traffic with the older codecs.

Really burns me up. I do not want to use software encoding/decoding if I have hardware support.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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How to enable end to end encryption in Zoom: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360048660871-End-t... (Presuming of course that their closed source software really E2E encrypts without a backdoor)

Why not simply use a product that doesnt steal your meeting content?

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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If you watch the video for office 365 next with ai it's basically this and really made me question things.

Microsoft is very good at marketing. Their materials, like videos, rarely map to tell functionally of the service. My job has, in part, become tempering people's expectations for Microsoft copilot.

This is why I mostly don’t worry about what they’re up to as a competitor in a particular product space. It’s rare that their advertised features match (with good quality) their released features.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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post #121

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You can just have a conference call with the 5-10 speakers and use broadcasting software to stream it to the audience, why do they need to be in the conference?

Why setup a separate broadcast when listeners can just join the meeting room?

Because then you have the option to use less specialized software (not Zoom).
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