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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by CorpOverreach »

donalhunt wrote: post #86
ebiester wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does Jitsi handle 500-person+ conference calls these days? This is the killer zoom feature - it looks like Jitsi can handle up to 500 now. https://jaas.8x8.vc/#/comparison . That's personally not enough for many remote companies. So if we're going to have to have Zoom on our machines anyway (to handle an all-company meeting), why not just use it for the rest?

Are 500-person conference calls actually productive? Surely the number of speakers in any such meeting will be a small percentage of listeners?

It's useful.

It's more of a large-scale broadcast situation. Think of large corporate town halls, town council meetings, etc.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by api »

eddieroger wrote: post #84
_ddzr wrote: post #11

Thankfully nothing like this is in Jitsi Meet’s TOS: https://jitsi.org/meet-jit-si-terms-of-service/ It never ceases to amaze me how companies choose the worst software!

Worst is relative. Zoom has the lower barrier to entry for normal users (who far outnumber us nerdy type) than any other app in it's class. Worst for privacy, best for usability, many argue.

Worst for privacy best for usability is the norm. Most B2C stuff is almost predatory. The only exceptions are at the high (cost) end of the market, and Apple to some extent.

If you aren’t paying in either time (DIY) or money, you are probably being exploited.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by javajosh »

albert_e wrote: post #63

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

As long as the paychecks aren't hallucinations I'm good with it.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by Terretta »

jxf wrote: post #36

edit: I'm retracting my earlier comment. Earlier I wrote that the headline didn't seem to match what was in the TOS, since OP never mentioned which part they're concerned about. I'm now assuming the part they don't like is §10.4(ii): > 10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights…

Since this is a legal language discussion, worth noting your quoted portion might not say what you said it explicitly says:

> Service Generated Data; Consent to Use. Customer Content does not include any telemetry data, product usage data, diagnostic data, and similar content or data that Zoom collects or generates in connection with your or your End Users’ use of the Services or Software (“Service Generated Data”).

Notice that Service Generated Data quite explicitly doesn't include Customer Content.

On the contrary, it says Customer Content doesn't include service generated data. So you don't have rights to the telemetry or anything else they collect.

It does not say Service Generated Data doesn't include their own copies of customer content, which could be a part of "data Zoom collects .. in connection with your .. use".

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Post by beebeepka »

Knee_Pain wrote: post #80
arun-mani-j wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 for Jitsi. They are awesome, lightweight, and just work with the least hassle. Pretty bad that many nontechnical users are not aware of it compared to Google Meet or Teams.

lightweight? they are literally the only video chatting service I use that makes my laptop fans spin up.

I am yet to find a modern video chat that isn't draining the battery of any laptop. From old Xeons, to fairly recent Ryzen and even M1/2 Macs.

It's a bit puzzling, actually. I don't think Skype and TeamSpeak had the same effect on computers back in the day. Just how much local processing are they doing these days? It's crazy

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by gitfan86 »

albert_e wrote: post #63

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

But seriously, it gets awkward when you can ask the model, "what is the likelihood that this project we are discussing is successful?"

and the model responds

"this project will most likely be cancelled due to the fact that the last three initiatives like this were cancelled and the current project manager appears to be disinterested earlier in the project than last time"

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by throwaway154 »

morkalork wrote: post #18

Isn't this a huge legal minefield when you think about schools using zoom for online learning?

Education is schizophrenic.

One part constantly fears it's missing a beat and jumps on new tech without thinking about it.

Another part believes that kids are able to construct all human knowledge by playing together in a field.

Education Technology seems to focus on selling education machines [1] (now with AI) to the first group while the second group focus on resenting any form of testing at all. Which leads to * , indeed, a huge legal minefield, that will be shirked up to government for 'not providing leadership' years down the road.

* If you are in any way involved with a school, ask them how many, and importantly what %, of non-statutory requests for comment from government agencies they've responded to, you may be surprised how low the number is or if they even count. Despite talking about 'leadership', not a lot walk the talk.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTH3ob1IRFo

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